CrossFit/PALEO doctor Tim Noakes could lose medical license over FALSE advise

Who gets to decide who the "experts" are? For decades, Freud was THE "expert" on psychology and psychotherapy. Now, not so much.In any case that poorly-formed sentence is merely justification for any mediocrity of thought and action.

joho wrote:

A quote from Ross' thread that everyone should remember.

"I dare the world would be a better place if people didn't speak so much about stuff they're not really experts in."

S. Canaday wrote:

There might be some interesting finds in treating those already with cancer/brain injury/Alzheimers with ketosis. But for the general population.....?

One of Volek's big studies was funded by Atkins...no bias there at all:

http://www.metabolismjournal.com/article/S0026-0495

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I'm not familiar with Sisson's work in the area, but his claim for a sub 2hr marathon because of fat-burning/keto-adapted sounds much like Phil Maffetone's claims of a sub 1:50 being possible because of such changes in diet....he also promotes putting cream, raw eggs and butter in your coffee...but I digress.

Eat more fruits and veggies....carb up.

Even though there is a potential conflict of interest, it doesn't mean that the science is wrong. That talk that I linked to should be of particular interest to you, since a portion of it covers ultra endurance racing. I encourage you to be skeptical of his claims but if he's right, being keto-adapted would as he suggests be a big advantage in activities that involve sub-maximal oxygen uptake rates (ultra marathons).

I think the notion that you could defer bonking by having your brain use ketones as fuel and fat as fuel for your muscles once you are glycogen depleted is an interesting concept. Consider something like persistence hunting in africa, it would basically be a guy who was already in starvation induced ketosis, doing a sub-maximal activity for 3 to 6 hrs without taking on energy drinks or gels but somehow not bonking. Is this hypothetical scenario too far fetched? Perhaps, but I'm going to keep my eye on the research and see where it goes.

I think it is healthy to entertain views from all sides... Bernie, Hilary and Rand.

jjjjj wrote:

I'd be inclined to take his claim very seriously based on all the research he has conducted. But the idea of losing his license for research-based medical arguments is trampling on free speech and ignoring scientific dispute as a healthy sign of working science.

Dr. Oz agrees. Doctors should be able to make up wild claims.

He dispensed medical advice to a child's mother on twitter.The accusation has nothing to do with whether his free speech or his "research."

jjjjj wrote:

I'd be inclined to take his claim very seriously based on all the research he has conducted. But the idea of losing his license for research-based medical arguments is trampling on free speech and ignoring scientific dispute as a healthy sign of working science.

M.I.A. wrote:

Who gets to decide who the "experts" are? For decades, Freud was THE "expert" on psychology and psychotherapy. Now, not so much.

In any case that poorly-formed sentence is merely justification for any mediocrity of thought and action.

joho wrote:

A quote from Ross' thread that everyone should remember.

"I dare the world would be a better place if people didn't speak so much about stuff they're not really experts in."

Freud doesn't talk so much anymore either.

Heart attack territory wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

I eat 3-4 eggs a day, everyday, red meat just about everyday... But also chicken and veggies and fruit

Total chol is 175. HDL 63.

Only a deluded person would think that is good.

My total cholesterol is in the low 120's and I'm somewhat older than you are.

Curious on this - what's your diet like??

We all have bias...most studies often seem to have funding with a conflict of interest. Heck, the meat and dairy industry spends a ton of money to try to back up all sorts of claims...tons of studies. So do drug companies. Should we question their motives at times? Yes!Maybe if more studies were funded by "subsidized big fruit and veggie" companies...but alas.As far as low carb for endurance running goes...well you don't have to be on a high fat diet to burn fat well. Heck the East Africans should just stop eating all that ugali...then they'd crack 2 hours for sure!The human body is meant to run really well on carbs...really well (not refined/highly processed sugars)...but carbs from fruits and veggies. Add in some potatoes and corn/maize and legumes as well. That stuff is healthy for you. Sure you can burn a very high % of fat in an ultra as a huge energy supply...but to really perform at a high level you are burning a nice combo of carbs and fat...and taking in carbs/water as you go.Fat adapted means you can burn a higher % of fat at moderate paces...but top end power is going to diminish. It doesn't mean you're going to perform better than a guy who burns his glycogen hot and is pounding carbs though...even for the long haul. Also, if you want to run to your potential, you fuel with carbs (which can be part of your every day diet when training anyway).

I like how defensive people become about their diet.

Humans are made to eat all kinds of foods.

People are overeating and that is the problem.

It is not what kind of macronutrients you eat but how much.

Why is that so difficult to understand?

I know. Most of us grew up in a society where more is better.

Good luck with that.

Alex... wrote:

Humans are made to eat all kinds of foods.

People are overeating and that is the problem..

Exactly right.

Do not make food and diet a religion.

All of the people above are right.

I see Sage's food in his videos and I like it. I see the paleo-food and I like it too. I like the vegan, the fruit-based, the nice steaks and burgers.

I am a nornal human. I eat what my enviroment and my traditions are offering me.

Whoever pays attention to himself and to his food is right. Food should make you feel energised, strong and happy.

It is like sleep. Enough sleep is the sleep that makes you alert the next day.

As Malmo would say, you are thinking too much.

Go out and eat. Kung fu style...

Alex... wrote:

I like how defensive people become about their diet.

Humans are made to eat all kinds of foods.

People are overeating and that is the problem.

Amen.

That's the central thesis of Matt Fitzgerald's "Diet Cults" book.

He does kinda violate his thesis by proposing a specific diet in the end, but I'd strongly recommend it for history, background, and balance about diet.

"Just don't eat so much" is like telling an injury-prone runner to "just run more miles" in order to make the team. There is a real thing called insulin resistance which drives obesity, and it is why we have threads on this very board where people running 30-50 miles/week have trouble getting back to the weight they were as younger runners.

It isn't a matter of self-discipline, but of the biology of the endocrine system coupled with not just the abundance of certain foods in our environment, but the promotion and marketing of them. If 90% of the foods in your environment are laced with a substance that promotes an endocrine disorder, "just don't eat so much" goes against the hard-wired biology of survival. Quite literally, insulin-reistance means that despite being obese and having just eaten a meal, the brain is getting signals that the body is in starvation mode.

I say this as a runner with no weight issues myself anymore, but have seen what said issues have done to friends and family.

One thing that Noakes says that I entirely agree with is that controlling weight is about controlling cravings. It's very difficult to restrict calories when you constantly feel hungry.

I should have written: eat less crap

Good points. One of the issues with the high protein/high fat diet is its bad influence on insulin receptors/leading to insulin resistance: http://nutritionfacts.org/video/diabetes-as-a-disease-of-fat-toxicity/andhttp://nutritionfacts.org/video/what-causes-insulin-resistance/The idea that "everything is good" with enough moderation and balance has lead to lots of health problems. Same thing with the idea "eat what you crave" or "eat to be happy." We'd all be having donuts everyday for breakfast (probably some are). If you run enough you can stay skinny eating donuts all day. Now donuts are bad because of the refined sugar...but they are likely worse for you because of the high fat. Yeah, the human body is amazing at adapting to eating lots of different things..but just you it can pull if off doesn't mean it won't cause cancer/heart disease/diabetes in the long run. How long can you live on an all meat diet before getting scurvy? How long can you live on just bananas? Probably much longer on the later. For sure overeating (in 1st world countries/people with wealth of course) is a problem...as is obviously fast food, highly processed food and stuff filled with some many chemicals it's like eating plastic. High fat, high sodium and high in refined sugar meals...delicious and addicting. With plant based diets you can eat more in sheer volume, get more nutrients, and feel full faster because of the fiber (which in term provides a beneficial dose of probiotics and likely reduces the risk of colon cancer). I think it's hard to argue against the notion that if people just ate more veggies and fruit they would be much, much healthier. Seems very obvious, but people don't like to do that enough.

Geez Louie Z wrote:

There is a real thing called insulin resistance which drives obesity, and it is why we have threads on this very board where people running 30-50 miles/week have trouble getting back to the weight they were as younger runners.

If 30-50mpw is not enough for you, then run 60-70mpw. You also need to lift more as you get older.

Nice link to the "fat is bad" dogma, Sage. Unfortunately, while U.S. fat consumption has gone DOWN 10% in the last four decades, obesity has DOUBLED, and diabetes has gone up nearly SIX TIMES in the same period. I guess those dumb cells aren't getting the message that dietary fat causes diabetes!

At least the AHA is quietly and grudgingly has admitted that the dietary cholesterol theory was bunk, and it is OK to eat eggs again. Eggs are the most nutritious single food n the planet, even eaten opportunistically by grazing herbivores, yet the government demonized them for almost half a century.

So what does raise cholesterol if eggs don't?

And why do I feel better when I run after eating carbs the day before?

I didn't say refined sugar doesn't lead to diabetes as well... The Standard American Diet "SAD" is about 30-35% fat. For paleo/low carb it is much higher obviously. Not sure about your statistic of U.S. fat consumption going down 10% over 40 years...but again that's not very much anyway even if it is true. Source?You could say we sit in chairs more and don't exercise as much and that has lead to more obesity/diabetes (which IMO carries much more weight). Heart Disease is the number #1 killer in the US. ...obesity is rampant and diabetes is catching up. Obviously the SAD diet is not an ideal diet. Check populations in "Blue Zones." NutritionFacts.org is generally considered a fairly reputable website with a lot of research and MD input. It's not perfect, but I'd give them more credit than any dairy/meat/atkins/banting funded site. It would be an oversimplification/total generalization to say ALL fat is "bad" or "good". Balance and moderation, but generally I believe most people don't need to be eating any more than 10-15% fat (some essential Omega-3s mainly)...I also believe you just don't need eggs either.Note: they can't legally say that "eggs are healthy" in advertising. They can say "they're nutritious and have protein that a body needs to grow" and that they are "incredible and edible" though....food for though.

50 Shades Of Gray Area wrote:

Nice link to the "fat is bad" dogma, Sage. Unfortunately, while U.S. fat consumption has gone DOWN 10% in the last four decades, obesity has DOUBLED, and diabetes has gone up nearly SIX TIMES in the same period. I guess those dumb cells aren't getting the message that dietary fat causes diabetes!

At least the AHA is quietly and grudgingly has admitted that the dietary cholesterol theory was bunk, and it is OK to eat eggs again. Eggs are the most nutritious single food n the planet, even eaten opportunistically by grazing herbivores, yet the government demonized them for almost half a century.