60 Seconds and 1 minute aren't really the same?

How do you explain the fact that if you enter "1, 7, 0" it cooks for 2:10?

math student wrote:

How do you explain the fact that if you enter "1, 7, 0" it cooks for 2:10?

It won't let you. If, after entering a 1, you enter a digit higher than 5, then a third digit, it won't let you input. It will say "error", or just simply not let you enter the third digit.

...I think.

Are you f#cking retarded?

60seconds + 60 seconds = 120 seconds not 1 minute and 20 seconds. Please Please Please do not vote in the Presidential election. This is why our country is fu#ked up!!!

LDOPA wrote:

This is a bit of a random question, but the answer ha sbeen bugging me for a long time. Ok so...

On a microwave, if you push 60, then it will cook for 60 seconds or one minute. (Following me?)

AND if you also press 1:00 it will cook for one minute, or 60 seconds. (Right, right?)

OK! Well, my question is....

If you add 1:00 + 1:00 it is = 2:00 right? So your food will cook for a total of two minutes.

BUT if you add 60 seconds + 60 seconds it will only cook for one minute and twenty seconds. Even though 60 seconds is one minute?

(I know, confusing question.)

I guess to put it into simpliest terms, How come 1 minute + 1 minute = 2 minutes, but 60 seconds + 60 seconds = only one minute and twenty seconds?

>If troll then "10/10"

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>If NOT troll then 1:20/120

tyouble wrote:

420 ... Mile? wrote:

Excellent question. I am glad that someone has brought this up.

60 seconds + 60 seconds is congruent to 1:00 + 1:00. Law of sums makes 120 = 2:00. We know 120 = 1:20. By the transitive law 1:20 should = 2:00 (duel equivalence to the common denominator of 2:00)

Any math guys out there can help with this? Lots of clueless responses so far. I think some of you are misinterpreting the question.

120 is NOT 1:20!!!

How is 120 seconds = 1 minute 20 seconds??

Please note that I asked for help from math guys, not idiots. You clearly aren't understanding the conversion prime factorization. So many people that can't understand these simple word problems. I can't figure out how the microwave makes sense, but at least I get the question lol.

420 ... Mile? wrote:

tyouble wrote:

120 is NOT 1:20!!!

How is 120 seconds = 1 minute 20 seconds??

Please note that I asked for help from math guys, not idiots. You clearly aren't understanding the conversion prime factorization. So many people that can't understand these simple word problems. I can't figure out how the microwave makes sense, but at least I get the question lol.

I'm pretty sure if you're running an indoor marathon on a treadmill the 60+60 one would actually take longer than the 2 minute one regardless.

Another Idiot Parent? wrote:

math student wrote:

How do you explain the fact that if you enter "1, 7, 0" it cooks for 2:10?

It won't let you. If, after entering a 1, you enter a digit higher than 5, then a third digit, it won't let you input. It will say "error", or just simply not let you enter the third digit.

...I think.

I just entered 1,7,0 and my microwave ran for 1min and 70sec.

So 1min = 60sec and 60sec+70sec = 130sec which is 1min and 70sec.

And, my microwave has a +30 button. If I type 80, it cooks 80sec. If I hit +30 button while it is cooking for the 80sec it then converts the 80 into 1min and 20sec and adds the 30sec yielding 1min and 50sec.

ordersofmagnitude wrote:

I'm pretty sure if you're running an indoor marathon on a treadmill the 60+60 one would actually take longer than the 2 minute one regardless.

I am glad to see another person who can wrap their head around word problems has joined the thread! I can't believe I did not already think of this: it isn't just microwaves, all devices with a timer run into this transitive law violation.

For those just joining the thread: 60 seconds = 1 minute. By law of multiplicative conservation you can double both sides to make a positive truth statement. Thus, 120 seconds = 2 minutes. It is known that 120 entered digitally is 1:20. Is 120 = 120. You can think of this as our given or can prove based on general laws of observation and common sense. This is where it starts to get sticky.

Due to the transitive law, 2 minutes = 1:20 (based on the shared congruence of the common denominator of 120 seconds).

However, when you punch 1:20 in, it is not equal to 2 minutes which is known to be 2:00. This violates anything that can be explained by the lower levels of mathematics. As many have probably guessed, I teach algebra and geometry but my calc is rusty. Any whizzes out there who can produce an argument based on mathematical theory and logic?

Fortunately for you my background is in theoretical physics because the actual root cause of the problem goes beyond basic mathematics. What we're running into here are the effects of what Einstein described in his theory of special relativity. That old bugaboo time dilation. You'll recall this simple formula that corrects time intervals based on the dilation that occurs in relation to how closely they approach the speed of light:

t = t0/(1-v2/c2)1/2

So if we account for the velocity in the relevant inertial reference frame it's straight-forward to account for the inequality between the dual 60 second scenario and the 2 minute one. The critical observation is that microwaves have turntables that rotate. And in the inertial reference of the rotating food that rotational velocity causes the time dilation that is differential reflected in the two different time intervals. The key bit to realize is the engineers have to calibrate the rotational speed of the turntable very carefully to ensure that the 60+60 scenario actually results the correct amount of time dilation to arrive at a net time of 1:20.

It's this same principle that allows, in the case of a marathon on an indoor track, one to be lapped but then later win the race. And similarly explains the speed limitations on most treadmills; put in place to avoid people accidentally reaching escape velocity and flying free of the machine.

More importantly will that plane on a treadmill take off within the 2 minutes?

Top Noticer wrote:

This is one of the many train why I, as a vegan, refuse to use microwaves. I just rub my food vigorously until it is palatable.

Since I'm not vegan, I rub my meat.

Just tried to run microwave for "120" and used my Garmin to track the elapsed time.

Result of experiment:

- Microwave ran for 1:20.

- Permanent black spot on microwave door.

The Force is strong in this one.

This paper by the famous combinatorists Erdos and Knuth may shed some light on this problem. It addresses the main issue almost exactly and uses very clear pros almost understandable to the layman.

Specifically, please see Proposition 3.3 (Let E be a null isomorphism. Let us assume we are given a countably smooth, additive ring c. Then Kummer’s condition is satisfied.) and its proof for the most relevant segments.

http://thatsmathematics.com/mathgen/paper.php?nameType%5B1%5D=custom&customName%5B1%5D=P.+Erdos&nameType%5B2%5D=custom&customName%5B2%5D=D.+Knuth&nameType%5B3%5D=custom&customName%5B3%5D=&nameType%5B4%5D=custom&customName%5B4%5D=&seed=409074385&format=pdf

So THAT's why my hot pocket is frozen on the inside and boiling on the outside! If I put a hot pocket in the microwave for 60+60, the inside will cook for 1:20, while the outside cooks for 2:00!

I am just greatfull that there is no metric conversion for time. We can't figure this life altering problem now, imagine if we had to then convert it. Whew

Maybe the Lehigh Valley Marathon uses a microwave as a timing device?

You've found that our universe exhibits closed timelike curves - astronomers have been searching for this evidence for decades.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del_metric

Exactly. The angle of the single is equal to the heat of the meat.