Birdies are screaming wrote:
Lukas V. Officially became a US citizen 5 days ago.. You guys literally will find anything to bitch about around here.
The Letsrun article was factually based. He ran faster than any American born runner has and any HS runner Period. It's not controversial in any way.
Lukas was a high school student 5 years ago, not 5 days ago. He wasn't an American during that time.
Well said.
This addresses the original points without going off on irrelevant tangents.
Also, this is semantics, the meaning of "record" and "American high school" are important.
"Formal records only exist via the ratifying organizations that back them.:
"American high school" is equivalent to "high school" in US discussions, as the "American" refers to the geographic location (and more specifically, US), not individual citizenship or birth location. Just as New York high school records can be set by those who are part of the New York high school programs, they do not need to be originally from or born in NY.
Hunter broke the American HS record previously held by Gerry. Unless you can show me an American that has run faster in HS I don't get what the fuss is about.
If outdoors he runs faster than German F he will be the outdoor American HS record holder. If he beats Lukas V's 8:32 than he will hold the HS record.
I really don't see where race comes into play here.
Can't wait until he runs 8:29 and all you fools are freaking out at the racially motivated comments when they focus more on the German F American HS record that gets broke vs LV record. Those damn Brojos and their racism vs white folks.
Just like there are stats for the best collegiate times and best American collegiate times people including myself like to know who has both if they are different. It's quite ok if you don't agree with it but to say they are being racist is ridiculous.
rojo wrote:
Seyta wrote:[quote]been around 'ya know wrote:
That being said, he has been here since he was 10 - 11 (as young as Meb was when he came to the US) so I really don't know why anybody has a problem with him being recognized as a HS record holder.
It amazes me how dumb this logic is. So Mo Farah has been living here since 2011. 5 years is a long time. So if he wins the Olympics, you want us to celebrate it as an "American professional gold medal?"
It's an Olympic sport. Olympic sports are focused on nationalities.
It's nearly incomprehensible to me that you could call me (or anyone for that matter) an idiot. The way that you report information could at best be described as tabloid journalism.
The fact that the core tenets of your defense were statements centered around the Olympics being a nationalistic event, and by your warped view of extension, the entire sport of track and field, at all levels, only being able to be viewed, judged, and evaluated, on a nationalistic level, is indicative of a poor grasp of basic logical arguments. Honestly, it shows that you are completely incapable of understanding how an entity/institution or organization could be US-based but not US-restricted. I bet it's beyond your scope of reasoning to understand how Dirk Nowitzki & Steve Nash each won the MVP award for the U.S.'s National Basketball Association.
Or maybe you understand that these guys won the award, but you care more about scrolling down the list to the highest ranking player born in the U.S. I get it. You have pride in your country. We all do. But it makes you guys look pretty bad as a whole.
You have such a great platform, that's powered in-large part by the people. It takes very little to stay out of the way and garner respect. Instead, you impose your will article by article, and try to make everyone else share the same narrow-minded opinions you hold.
There are tons of eloquently-written, articulate, and pointed responses on this thread. You should at least be able to understand the difference between real world journalism, and 'your stuff.' The sad thing is that I don't think you do understand.
In any case, congratulations to Andrew Hunter for being the HIGH SCHOOL RECORD HOLDER. I guess we can all take solace in the fact that Hunter will make the record very difficult for the next foreigner to break -- and that should help you sleep at night, and shelter us from your ignorance at the same time.
as has been stated before, it's the emphasis on breaking Lindgren's 'record' over Cheserek's 'mark' that bothers people because it's an intentional attempt to make it appear as if Cheserek's time isn't the officially recognized record, even though it is. Breaking Lindgren's unofficial record shouldn't be the headline,it's a side note. Letsrun seems to be the only place emphasizing it over Cheserek's official record.
Are you having trouble comprehending that?
i was responding to Birdie, btw
I guess Ches holds no school or state high school records because he was not an American citizen. Hell, why did they even let him compete? The Brojos surely would have stopped him.
When I look at the significance of what Andrew accomplished I'd say it's breaking Gerry's record. So I comprehend it quite well and support the way they reported it. Ches is an all time great and I'm not against kids like him coming to the US and competing. I fully recognized him as the HS record holder and loved watching him compete. Never once contributed to the "old Ches" threads either. But I know what Gerry was in HS history and look at him and Ryun as the all time greats. So for an American born kid to beat any of there records is very significant to me.
I'm quite ok if you disagree with it. Maybe you aren't old enough to understand how Gerry fits into American HS history. Way more significant than your hero Pre!
I only posted to get the 69th post. Awww yeaaah
Read this once wrote:
[quote]Critical Thinking wrote:
[quote]been around 'ya know wrote:
Hunter broke Lindgren's record for the fastest indoor 3k by an American high schooler. There is nothing misleading, inaccurate, or difficult to grasp about this.
Lindgren DID NOT run the 3k in 1964. He ran the 2 MILE. If Hunter wants to run a better time, he has to run another 218 meters.
Sorry if this has already been posted.
all these accusations of racism are rubbish. Yes racism is endemic in the US, as it is in every country.
What you are discussing on this thread though is xenophobia.
As a white guy who came here many years ago, I can confirm that many Americans are insular, and very few of you even have passports.
I suspect that a large number of passport holders are in the military.
:-)
Lukas is starting to look competitive on the world Tri stage. 15th again, but it just looks like he hasn't put it all together yet. He is competing more. He is all grown up now. I think it is a matter of time. Hope he gets back and is healthy. Sure wish him the best. Go after it all LUKAS! IT IS TIME!
It is a second chance! Go for it Lukas V.
I am sorry if this has been posted before, but reading the NFHS regulations, it simply states that the National High School records are a collection of the best performances produced by high school students before the date of graduation. It does not mention anything about citizenship or birthplace etc.
I don't know much about Cheserek or the high school system, but if he attended an American high school and ran the fastest 3k or 2 mile ever seen before graduating from that high school, he must have held the record.