I just started a much tamer thread indicating my annoyance with this exact issue before noticing this one. Plus one for the OP. LRC has a lot going for it but the insistence on distinguishing between nationalities of HS athletes is inane. This is the type of thing that sets the Brojos apart from actual journalists in my mind. Maybe they'll figure it out one day but I'm not holding my breath.
Who gives a sh!t? Both times were broken. I couldn't care less about lindgren or cheserek.
Besides, this is LetsRun Commentary. If you're gonna get worked up about holding it to any kind of standard, maybe you shouldn't read it. It's all sh!t. Besides, you got what you needed, right? Hunter broke 8, Gerry ran 8:06, and cheserek ran 8:05. That's the only important part
The same applies here. Hunter is the American HS record holder, period. Cheserek isn't an American.
Are we not talking about the American High School Record?
Did Ches not attend an American High School?
Do you not recognize Lukas V's two mile as the American High School Record?
You guys are racists. Period. Racists, of course, have no clue that they are indeed racists and will twists things in a million ways to convince themselves they are not. Just as you have done here with your treatment of Ches.
[quote]Limousine Liberals wrote:
[quote]galen rupp number on fan wrote:
Liberals cannot accept that there is very little racism in American sports.
Wow! Just wow!
I am always surprised that such delusional people survive to adulthood
Brojos are the Donald Trump of journalism
Please stop stroking your tool and look at this fairly -
Fernandez still officially has the US High School Record!
Why?
Drew's was a mixed race with adults\college dudes! As was Webb's supposed mile record. Would he have beaten Ryun's 3:55 without the extra speed pull support - doubtful! Mixed level races get the *asterisk for sure!
King Chez's age cannot be verified! Seriously it cannot.
LV was a foreign born "Non-US national" at the time - same with Chez.
Gerry ran his time on a cinder tack by himself with no serious coaching and a crap diet.
Rupp ran faster than Gerry - 8:03.67
Not only did Fernandez run as fast but he did it in a longer HS only race
(2 miles) essentially on his own with nobody but the clock pushing him.
Now if Drew goes out and runs a sub four against HS'ers only and or runs a 8:34/4:00 1600m/3200m double back to back after a couple or hours, then he's the "Man!" Until then, shut the F up!
Critical Thinking wrote:
Edward Cheserek set the high school record for indoor 3k a few years back. People keep track of NCAA records set by an American, but I've never heard of the same for high school. T&FN lists Cheserek as the high school record holder.
As did I. I wrote the flash recap which was 100% factual.
Rojo wrote:
Hunter’s time of 7:59.33 crushed Gerry Lindgren‘s American HS indoor record of 8:06.3 which had stood since 1964 and just edged German Fernandez‘s American 3000 outdoor record of 7:59.83 from 2008. It also betters the best indoor high school time ever run in America, 8:05.46 by Kenya’s Edward Cheserek en route to a 8:39.15 two-mile at the Millrose Games in 2013.
The only significant HS times that Hunter failed to break today are the converted 3000 marks from the outdoor US and American 2-mile bests. The best outdoor 2-mile run by a high schooler in US history was Lithuanian Lukas Verzbicas’s 8:29.46 2-mile in 2011, which equates to 7:51.67 according to a LetsRun.com/JohnKellogg conversion. The outdoor American HS 2 mile mark belongs to German Fernandez at 8:34.40, which is equivalent to 7:56.24.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
Brojos are the Donald Trump of journalism
Baloney. Trump's words show him to be a racist -- but then, so do the words and actions of the mainstream media, the US government, and every presidential candidate including Sanders. Racism toward Arabs and Muslims is required in Zi*nist Occupied America if you wish to advance your career in media, politics, justice Dept, the Treasury, etc.
This pretense that The Donald is the only racist in the field of candidates is nonsense.
Lukas V. Officially became a US citizen 5 days ago.. You guys literally will find anything to bitch about around here.
The Letsrun article was factually based. He ran faster than any American born runner has and any HS runner Period. It's not controversial in any way.
Letsrun is primarily an empire built through nepotism and cronyism. Never forget that, folks.
Birdies are screaming wrote:
Lukas V. Officially became a US citizen 5 days ago.. You guys literally will find anything to bitch about around here.
The Letsrun article was factually based. He ran faster than any American born runner has and any HS runner Period. It's not controversial in any way.
"American born runner" is a qualifier that was not included in the Brojos original claim.
Doesn't it bother you that you have to be dishonest in your argument?
rojo wrote:
Critical Thinking wrote:Edward Cheserek set the high school record for indoor 3k a few years back. People keep track of NCAA records set by an American, but I've never heard of the same for high school. T&FN lists Cheserek as the high school record holder.
As did I. I wrote the flash recap which was 100% factual.
People are harping on you for saying that lindgren's record was broken. Lindgren's highschool record was already broken 3 years ago by cheserek. There is no American born highschool record. No one ratifies it, keeps track of it, or talks about it besides LRC.
There are US youth and junior records that you do need to be a US citizen to hold but the "American born highschool record" does not exist.
Well, at any rate- when those who are butthurt get done complaining about a running news commentary piece, I've got some mole hills I'd like turned into mountains
I believe LV became a U.S. citizen Jan 25, 2016. Congrats!
I agree with renumber
In all my years as a fan which are many, I never cared less about the "American" as in American citizen? HS Record
Only the U.S. Hs's record
It was Lindgren to Cheserek to Hunter
Why does there have to be an "official" American born record to claim he has run faster than in American born runner? People have stats for the tallest person to ever break 4 in the mile. Have you see an NFL game? They'll tell you what the record is for throwing the most completions into a head wind! I still don't comprehend why Letsrun pointing out a simple data point that was accurate is wrong?
Cheserek didn't attend an American high school?
The Letsrun article quote is:
"Hunter's time of 7:59.33 crushed Gerry Lindgren's American HS indoor record of 8:06.3 which had stood since 1964..."
This statement is factually inaccurate. Edward Cheserk held the American High School Indoor Record as recognized by Track & Field News and by the National Scholastic Athletics Foundation(NSAF). The NSAF, which runs the New Balance Indoor National Championships, lists Edward Cheserek as the American High School Indoor Record holder for the 2 Mile as a sophomore, junior, and senior.
The American High School Record does not need to be set by an American citizen. You are applying your own personal criteria if you can can accept that. You must be talking about your own lists of records.
Birdies are screaming wrote:
Why does there have to be an "official" American born record to claim he has run faster than in American born runner? People have stats for the tallest person to ever break 4 in the mile. Have you see an NFL game? They'll tell you what the record is for throwing the most completions into a head wind! I still don't comprehend why Letsrun pointing out a simple data point that was accurate is wrong?
It's how they say it; where they put the emphasis. They have an established track record of fanning the racial and ethnic controversial flames either by starting it or just turning a blind eye to it.
It's just too important to them to be an accident. It is how they think. They will continue to do it and readers will continue to call them out on it.
been around 'ya know wrote:
It's how they say it; where they put the emphasis. They have an established track record of fanning the racial and ethnic controversial flames either by starting it or just turning a blind eye to it.
It's just too important to them to be an accident. It is how they think. They will continue to do it and readers will continue to call them out on it.
Agree completely.
The fact that now it's been pointed out to rojo and he's still weirdly trying to argue what he said is (a) correct and (b) not racially motivated is simply bizarre.
Lindgren's record was broken by Ches. Not by Hunter.
Delineating what you write as a journalist from how you speak with your buddies drinking beer in the back deck would be a positive.
There's no "fastest white guy" record either.