100 mpw is just 7 am and 7 pm per day.

southbysouthbest wrote:

high mileage isn't hard wrote:

Flat out wrong. There are many benefits and adaptations that come with easy mileage alone. Plus once you adapt to the mileage, it become very easy, as easy as 50 mpw used to be. At this point you can add in tempos, speed work, and hills and further improve.

Show me ONE runner who has even broken 16:00 in a 5k off of easy mileage alone. Just one. We have hundreds of thousands of running logs publicly available, so finding one should be easy.

I look forward to seeing it.

Francis Burdett did it in his mid 40s. All but two of the guys i Joe Henderson's LSD book did it. Heck, that's pretty much what I was doing when I did it.

high mileage isn't hard wrote:

12's wrote:

I have to be at work by 7am and can't leave until 7pm. Also, that switches every two weeks. And I start at 7pm and leave by 7am.

High mileage isn't necessarily "hard" but it certainly isn't easy. For me, moderate mileage (60mpw) is at 430am when I am on day work and and 8am (after working 12 hours overnight prior) when I am on night work.

Interesting. I commend you for fitting moderate mileage into a fairly grueling schedule. MOST PEOPLE however only work 8-10 hours a day, not 12. That means everyone else in this thread has net 2-4 extra hours per day on you, so they really have no excuse.

Fair enough! Albeit, I have extra days off as well. I save the longer runs for those. But it rotates I have to schedule by month instead of week.... running keeps me sane.

high mileage isn't hard wrote:

southbysouthbest wrote:

Show me ONE runner who has even broken 16:00 in a 5k off of easy mileage alone. Just one. We have hundreds of thousands of running logs publicly available, so finding one should be easy.

I look forward to seeing it.

Are you serious? Tons of college teammates would regularly break 16:00 for 5K over the summer while doing nothing but easy mileage. Most of these runners aren't the types to use high tech apps to share their training with the Twitter world. But it is scientifically well established that mileage alone is enough to increase capillarization and make you more economical.

If you really need to trudge out examples, look up the training of Ron Clarke which was pretty much nothing but steady mileage.

"Tons" of runners and you can't show me one running log?

And LOL at your "high-tech" apps excuse.

Ben True (13:02 5k, lots of fast running) is on Strava

Jonas Hampton (sub 2:16 marathoner who does speed work) is on Running2Win -

Now it's your turn. Link me to ONE concrete example of what you're talking about. If you can't, you're completely FOS

southbysouthbest wrote:

Now it's your turn. Link me to ONE concrete example of what you're talking about. If you can't, you're completely FOS

Ron Clarke IS one concrete example. Your link is the book How They Train 1973 edition.

If you want a literal link I will link you to HRE's post above.

high mileage isn't hard wrote:

southbysouthbest wrote:

Now it's your turn. Link me to ONE concrete example of what you're talking about. If you can't, you're completely FOS

Ron Clarke IS one concrete example. Your link is the book How They Train 1973 edition.

If you want a literal link I will link you to HRE's post above.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6975869&page=1#6976237

That's a myth, bro. Try again.

Tons of high school and college runners run over 100mpw and break 16 with no specific work. Is 2 hours of running each day too much to be working out?

Should football practice be limited to 60 minutes to focus on "quality"

Keep it Crete wrote:

southbysouthbest wrote:

"Tons" of runners and you can't show me one running log?

And LOL at your "high-tech" apps excuse.

Ben True (13:02 5k, lots of fast running) is on Strava

https://www.strava.com/pros/752282

Jonas Hampton (sub 2:16 marathoner who does speed work) is on Running2Win -

http://www.running2win.com/community/view-member-running-log.asp?vu=JonasRunner11

Now it's your turn. Link me to ONE concrete example of what you're talking about. If you can't, you're completely FOS

Tons of high school and college runners run over 100mpw and break 16 with no specific work. Is 2 hours of running each day too much to be working out?

Should football practice be limited to 60 minutes to focus on "quality"

Show me one example. Hundreds of thousands of public logs to choose from.

southbysouthbest wrote:

Show me one example. Hundreds of thousands of public logs to choose from.

You already have your example on the second post on this page. You just don't want to hear it and you will dispute the minutiae of any examples given, so it's pointless to continue.

Back on topic - running 100 mpw, a mere 7 miles twice a day, is not nearly as hard as people make it out to be.

You guys got to remember, most of the nubiles on here are 20 -somethings with nothing better to do. Those of us who have a modicum of maturity & responsibility, could never get through even one week of #14 - 7 mile runs without something infinitely more important coming along to sabatogue at least a few of them (and that's why most of us get by on 50 - 60MPW). Wives, husbands, kids, work, church, committees, boards, coaching, volunteer work, other hobbies, a sick parent…You know, a real life.

Even 50mpw is tough. At 60mpw even, you can find yourself in the dog house. 60mpw and you are doing well. I know few married people doing 100mpw outside of professional runners. Does anyone?

kmaclam wrote:

You guys got to remember, most of the nubiles on here are 20 -somethings with nothing better to do. Those of us who have a modicum of maturity & responsibility, could never get through even one week of #14 - 7 mile runs without something infinitely more important coming along to sabatogue at least a few of them (and that's why most of us get by on 50 - 60MPW). Wives, husbands, kids, work, church, committees, boards, coaching, volunteer work, other hobbies, a sick parent…You know, a real life.

Aren't you the same dude who wasted time yesterday wrongly criticizing Luke Puskedra for racing a half marathon?

That's fine if you have other priorities - obviously you volunteered to do that stuff. Most people I don't know aren't on 5 committees like you. Just don't pretend you couldn't run 100 mpw if you wanted to, or that you have a clue about competitive running.

Though, since you brought up maturity, I will point out that mature people are good at managing their time, and the schedule I posted only takes up 2 hours, leaving with 22 hours of your day to fit in everything else.

60mpw is the cap if married wrote:

Even 50mpw is tough. At 60mpw even, you can find yourself in the dog house. 60mpw and you are doing well. I know few married people doing 100mpw outside of professional runners. Does anyone?

The key to success is to NOT be married.

It is still pretty hard to make time and actually get some work done. I cut my working hours back a little each day as I try to run a lot of mileage this winter.

If you really need to trudge out examples, look up the training of Ron Clarke which was pretty much nothing but steady mileage

Steady =/= easy

C'mon. I doubt you can find many, if any, examples of elite running off mainly easy runs. And the few you can think of generally raced all the time, so again, not just easy running.

high mileage isn't hard wrote:

southbysouthbest wrote:

Show me one example. Hundreds of thousands of public logs to choose from.

You already have your example on the second post on this page. You just don't want to hear it and you will dispute the minutiae of any examples given, so it's pointless to continue.

Back on topic - running 100 mpw, a mere 7 miles twice a day, is not nearly as hard as people make it out to be.

I've already linked to information indicating that the majority of Burdett's running was done at LT, debunking your idea that he did all easy mileage. You've linked to absolutely nothing and relied entirely on inaccurate generalizations.

high mileage isn't hard wrote:

southbysouthbest wrote:

Show me ONE runner who has even broken 16:00 in a 5k off of easy mileage alone. Just one. We have hundreds of thousands of running logs publicly available, so finding one should be easy.

I look forward to seeing it.

Are you serious? Tons of college teammates would regularly break 16:00 for 5K over the summer while doing nothing but easy mileage. Most of these runners aren't the types to use high tech apps to share their training with the Twitter world. But it is scientifically well established that mileage alone is enough to increase capillarization and make you more economical.

If you really need to trudge out examples, look up the training of Ron Clarke which was pretty much nothing but steady mileage.

Forrest Gump

Ho Hum wrote:

If you really need to trudge out examples, look up the training of Ron Clarke which was pretty much nothing but steady mileage

Steady =/= easy

C'mon. I doubt you can find many, if any, examples of elite running off mainly easy runs. And the few you can think of generally raced all the time, so again, not just easy running.

No elites do nothing but easy runs. Nobody SHOULD train this way. Southbysouthbest's comment is that one COULDN'T improve on high mileage alone if they wanted to (scientifically and empirically false), or that no one could break 16:00 for 5K with only mileage (also empirically false). Mileage alone gets you 85% of the way there, which in many cases is enough to break 16. Over the summer typical email updates from my teammates would be "Ran 83 miles at 7:00 pace this week. 5K race in 15:45 on Saturday, felt pretty good." This was before strava and running2win existed and I'm not going to randomly browse through websites hoping to stumble upon what I already know exists.

60mpw is the cap if married wrote:

Even 50mpw is tough. At 60mpw even, you can find yourself in the dog house. 60mpw and you are doing well. I know few married people doing 100mpw outside of professional runners. Does anyone?

It's less than 2 hours a day for most which really isn't a big deal. It does take a while to effectively work up to it. Think of all of the things people do for two hours per day away from their spouse.

I know some triathletes who are married that spend a lot more time than that training each day.

Its tough after college, here's why: work. I start work at 7, which means I'm getting ready from 6-6:30, which means I'm out the door running by 5, which means I'm up at 4:45. If someone has a job that works later, they end up running in the dark and cold for the afternoon run. Some unfortunates, llike myself, whenever I have meetings, conferences, etc. end up doing both runs in the dark and cold. Add kids into the mix and family responsibilities and there might only be time to do one run in the dark and cold.