Southern Warmth wrote:
Dear Northern Exposure,
Your "friend" will find another job. Tell him to get a part-time in the mean time, that probably pays similarly to the salary of a new XC coach and keep at it. When your "friend" gets another interview, he should be straight-forward and honest about the last situation.h
Hey Mr. Morley how ya doin.
Your "friend" wrote:
Southern Warmth wrote:Dear Northern Exposure,
Your "friend" will find another job. Tell him to get a part-time in the mean time, that probably pays similarly to the salary of a new XC coach and keep at it. When your "friend" gets another interview, he should be straight-forward and honest about the last situation.h
Hey Mr. Morley how ya doin.
Actually, not even close. I am sure Mr. Morley wouldn't be so cordial. This guy is looking for validation when he should just move on and look for a job. Now there is a written record of this guy's groveling on the interwebs.
Personally, I think it is extremely unfair to the guy if he did nothing wrong. He shouldn't lose his job over a big-time recruit leaving to a better, more established program. I certainly sympathize with his situation, but not the fact he is making this very public.
Southern Warmth wrote:
Your "friend" wrote:Hey Mr. Morley how ya doin.
Actually, not even close. I am sure Mr. Morley wouldn't be so cordial. This guy is looking for validation when he should just move on and look for a job. Now there is a written record of this guy's groveling on the interwebs.
Personally, I think it is extremely unfair to the guy if he did nothing wrong. He shouldn't lose his job over a big-time recruit leaving to a better, more established program. I certainly sympathize with his situation, but not the fact he is making this very public.
Have you definitively established that the OP or any other poster on this thread is indeed the coach?
Your "friend" wrote:
Hey Mr. Morley how ya doin.
Southern Warmth wrote:
Actually, not even close. I am sure Mr. Morley wouldn't be so cordial. This guy is looking for validation when he should just move on and look for a job. Now there is a written record of this guy's groveling on the interwebs.
Tell us how you really feel, Mr. Morley.
Your "friend" wrote:
Your "friend" wrote:Hey Mr. Morley how ya doin.
Southern Warmth wrote:
Actually, not even close. I am sure Mr. Morley wouldn't be so cordial. This guy is looking for validation when he should just move on and look for a job. Now there is a written record of this guy's groveling on the interwebs.
Tell us how you really feel, Mr. Morley.
Bye Felicia
Bigskyguy wrote:
To anyone saying anything different - Fehr is nothing but a great guy, who was dedicated and committed to his team. This whole situation is disappointing as just 2 months ago, everything was looking up, now the program is crumbling, mostly due to an 18 year old girl who's attitude soured for unknown reasons.
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Your post bothers me. It's logically flawed.
Let's assume what the OP wrote is correct. The star runner bombs nationals, turns on the coach and transfers out. Lots of freshmen transfer out. No biggie.
But how is the runner to blame for him getting let go?
If what the OP wrote is correct, to me the blame is on the administration. The star runner transferred out so they canned the coach. All she did was transfer.
But the thing about this story that doesnt' make sense is the OP himself wrote that "Alumni, boosters, and Morely supporters deliver incredible pressure to AD asking for Coach Fehr's job."
So right there the OP is saying the alumni and boosters were irate with the coach as well. Really? Why would they want him gone unless they too thought he was doing a bad job? I didn't know that teams like Montana had big powerful boosters who could get a coach fired even though the head coach wants to keep him.
While everyone else is just making stuff up, I looked for some articles on the situation in the local papers. Here is what I found.
“I love Missoula and the team but the cross country coach (Collin Fehr) and I really had different views on everything in life, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing but we were just too different by the end of the season and I couldn’t handle that anymore,†she said.
http://flatheadbeacon.com/2015/12/22/morley-commits-to-run-at-university-of-colorado/
"Different views on everything in life" - what the hell does that mean? Why does she think that's relevant. A liberal should be able to coach a conservative and vice versa. Same thing with Christian and Muslim.
rojo wrote:
Bigskyguy wrote:To anyone saying anything different - Fehr is nothing but a great guy, who was dedicated and committed to his team. This whole situation is disappointing as just 2 months ago, everything was looking up, now the program is crumbling, mostly due to an 18 year old girl who's attitude soured for unknown reasons.
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Your post bothers me. It's logically flawed.
Let's assume what the OP wrote is correct. The star runner bombs nationals, turns on the coach and transfers out. Lots of freshmen transfer out. No biggie.
But how is the runner to blame for him getting let go?
If what the OP wrote is correct, to me the blame is on the administration. The star runner transferred out so they canned the coach. All she did was transfer.
But the thing about this story that doesnt' make sense is the OP himself wrote that "Alumni, boosters, and Morely supporters deliver incredible pressure to AD asking for Coach Fehr's job."
So right there the OP is saying the alumni and boosters were irate with the coach as well. Really? Why would they want him gone unless they too thought he was doing a bad job? I didn't know that teams like Montana had big powerful boosters who could get a coach fired even though the head coach wants to keep him.
Rojo - She did more than "just transfer." She also decided to trash the coach on the way out, as evident by her public comments. Not cool. I know also that she has been saying negative comments elsewhere in Montana too.
She has to take at least part blame if she is decided to turn negative on him. This was the problem with the Morely experiment at Montana. It basically goes 1 of 3 ways:
#1 - She does well, people notice, other recruits come to Montana, and the program and Fehr's stock skyrocket.
#2 - She does poorly, people notice, other recruits do not come to Montana and the program and Fehr's stock plummet.
#3 - She does ok, but not great, nobody notices, and the program and Fehr's stock stay where they are at.
I guess #2 happened and to add insult to injury, she decides to state that it is all his fault and wants to tell the world about it. The runner is to blame because instead of just keeping her mouth shut, she decides to badmouth the coach. (BTW - Rojo - did you read the title of the thread? - the OP thinks it was her fault.)
Also - does someone have proof that Fehr was fired (or forced to resign)? I have yet to see it. Maybe the team was losing confidence in him and he decided to leave before it got worse...we don't know unless Fehr himself comes online to tell the story. I have yet to see any actual news story on Fehr's 'resignation.'
I agree too. There are no "Montana cc/track alumni and boosters" that are going to get so irate as to get a coach fired, especially a coach that himself is an alumni after less that 3 years. I don't know of any alumni or boosters that didn't want to see him succeed!
Lastly - Rojo - can you please explain why the original thread was deleted?
Again - Fehr is a great guy who was dedicated to his team. I feel bad for all that has happened and wish him the best for his future.
As the PAC-12 is a Power 5 conference could money be behind all this?
How many of these posts are Fehr himself? I am guessing a lot.
How have they done in their conference/regionals in the recent past? They were 6th and 7th this year at Big Sky. Is the program on an downward trend since he took over?
Seems like everything was hunky dory through Big Sky and Regionals. And seriously, top 100 at Nationals is not terrible for a true freshman. Just making it there and winning conference indicates a very good season.
Here's the Montana press release following nationals. So what happened after that? It will be interesting to see what happens at CU, where runners (women esp.) sink or swim.
Montana freshman Makena Morley finished 97th Saturday at the NCAA Cross Country Championships at E.P. "Tom" Sawyer State Park in Louisville, Ky. Morley covered the six-kilometer course in a time of 20:49.
The women's race was won by Notre Dame senior Molly Seidel, who finished with a time of 19:28. Boise State freshman Allie Ostrander, in 19:33, was second, Arkansas senior Dominique Scott, in 19:40, was third.
New Mexico, with four runners in the top 15, ran away with the team title. Colorado and Oregon rounded out the top three.
Morley had all-America aspirations, which would have required a top-40 finish, and she was in position to reach her goal in the early going. Through two kilometers she was in 24th place and running with the main pack, less than two seconds off the leaders.
From there the Big Sky Conference champion would drift back. She placed fourth among Big Sky runners, finishing behind Eastern Washington's Sarah Reiter, Weber State's Hailey Whetten and Northern Arizona's Melanie Townsend, and was the 16th freshman across the line.
"She was in it early and put herself into position, but the field is so deep and competitive, that if you lose focus even for a minute, you can get swallowed up," said coach Collin Fehr.
"So much can happen so fast in this race that you can't have anything go wrong. You have to be totally on it from start to finish and have complete awareness."
Morley's time was nine seconds off her finish at NCAA Pre-Nationals in mid-October, when she was just returning from an early-season injury that forced her to miss the Montana Invitational.
"It wasn't Makena's best day out there," Fehr added. "It wasn't an indication of what her potential is or how well she can finish at this race.
"We'll use this as a motivating force as we shift gears and start working toward track and those national meets, and toward this race next year, because we want to get back here."
Montana's indoor track and field season opens in two weeks at Eastern Washington's Candy Cane VIII. The Grizzlies' distance runners won't compete for the first time until the Montana State Open Jan. 15.
Bigskyguy wrote:
Northern Exposure - I'm not sure your motives but this thread probably needs to be stopped. If you goal is to help Fehr, you are not helping. If your goal is to discredit Morley, then you need let it go, and take the high road as Fehr has (as evident by all his public statements).
In all honesty, I wish everyone the best of luck, specifically Fehr who deserves better than to be removed from a position he loved.
My motives are simple; this is a seriously messed up situation. People should know about it, especially future coaches or those aspiring to be D1 mid major coaches. It's a hot topic.
The title of the thread is an attention grabber, I in no way think that an 18yr old kid themselves has the power alone to do anything.
This thread is intended to have a discussion about, how a group can gain enough momentum to overthrow a coach. It is not intended to vindicate or clear the name of anyone. Do I think it's wrong? Yes I do, but more than that, I think it deserves to be discussed.
I find this situation hilarious. Athlete doesn't think coach is doing his job to the level she expects. She leaves and torches him on the way out. Ok.... So what? College coaches literally take money away from teenagers for failing to reach expectations. They inflict such horrors upon students (kicked off the team, emotional abuse, force them to transfer, ect.), and I'm supposed to feel bad for a coach who had the tables turned? Oh no, an athlete had power and used it! Heaven forbid! This isn't a "mess up situation," it's called "using your power effectively in a real-life scenario."
(I have never been to Montana and don't care about any of the parties involved.)
Get real baby! wrote:
Southern Warmth wrote:Actually, not even close. I am sure Mr. Morley wouldn't be so cordial. This guy is looking for validation when he should just move on and look for a job. Now there is a written record of this guy's groveling on the interwebs.
Personally, I think it is extremely unfair to the guy if he did nothing wrong. He shouldn't lose his job over a big-time recruit leaving to a better, more established program. I certainly sympathize with his situation, but not the fact he is making this very public.
Have you definitively established that the OP or any other poster on this thread is indeed the coach?
Don't need to, who else would post this Coach Fehr? Or Northern Exposure? Or Get Real Baby?
Like I said, I feel sorry for you coach. That sucks. There is definitely more to the story than you are telling though, no one gets fired for just losing a top recruit. Transfers happen all the time. You must have slipped and said something that got back to the parents, admin, and boosters.
The only thing you are doing is bringing to light that there is probably more to this story and someone who else is in the know will eventually bring it to the forefront.
Get out while you still can!
The really amusing part of this thread is the suggestion that a backwater school (or any school) has Cross Country Boosters. lol. And not just boosters, ones with power.
This is truly laughable.
Bigskyguy wrote:
She has to take at least part blame if she is decided to turn negative on him. This was the problem with the Morely experiment at Montana. It basically goes 1 of 3 ways:
#1 - She does well, people notice, other recruits come to Montana, and the program and Fehr's stock skyrocket.
#2 - She does poorly, people notice, other recruits do not come to Montana and the program and Fehr's stock plummet.
#3 - She does ok, but not great, nobody notices, and the program and Fehr's stock stay where they are at.
I guess #2 happened and to add insult to injury, she decides to state that it is all his fault and wants to tell the world about it.
Do we know that #2 even happened in the sense that she did poorly?
Let's look at the facts. She was 3th at Footlocker last year. Here are how the top 4 seniors at Footlocker did this year at NCAAs.
1. Rohrer - 6th place. Did amazing.
2. Frazier - 107th - lost to Morley.
3. Morley - 97th .
10th. Belf - 107th - lost to Morley.
What does the 3rd place woman at Foot locker normally get at NCAAs as a frosh?
Nope, get real baby was not the coach. Been to Missoula twice, and the first time I was too young to remember. I can tell you that for sure.
Just trying to figure out why this turned out the way it has.
Coach Fehr is a great coach. Period. In the few conversations that I've had with him I wouldn't give anything BUT praise. With that being said, Morley was a 4-time FL finalist. Maybe her expectations were a little higher, and she just had a bad race.
The athlete got to trash the coach in the press, while the coach wasn't contacted by that same press for his side of the story. The story was presented in a one-sided manner, that favored the athlete. That's known as a "lynch mob". The coach gets run out of town on a rail. If the OP is in fact the coach then I'm glad he posted here to present his story. We have something in America, at least in the more civilized parts, called "free speech". Cheers to the Brojos for providing a forum where inside information not covered by the mainstream "press" can be presented. You have a lot of nerve telling the OP to "get out". Actually, you need to get lost, creep, we don't need to hear your false concern.
Get lost creep wrote:
The athlete got to trash the coach in the press, while the coach wasn't contacted by that same press for his side of the story. The story was presented in a one-sided manner, that favored the athlete. That's known as a "lynch mob". The coach gets run out of town on a rail. If the OP is in fact the coach then I'm glad he posted here to present his story. We have something in America, at least in the more civilized parts, called "free speech". Cheers to the Brojos for providing a forum where inside information not covered by the mainstream "press" can be presented. You have a lot of nerve telling the OP to "get out". Actually, you need to get lost, creep, we don't need to hear your false concern.
Northern Exposure posting under another "name." Come on man, you have an obvious writing "style."
It is obvious it is you, "coach.". What are you hoping to accomplish other than prove you feel slighted? That sucks but people get fired all the time for various reasons.
Like I said, there is more to this story. One athlete doesn't have that kind of power to just get a coach fired. The "coach" did something else that he is not saying which warranted getting himself fired.
Is there anyone else out that has some insight beside the OP posting under different "names"?