If I think every law abiding citizen has a right to own guns, but the NRA annoys the crap out of me...

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thejeff wrote:

...what does that make me?

I don't see the harm in rigorous background checks to purchase assault rifles or in closing the "gun show" loophole.

-A Gun Nut

It makes you reasonable. I own guns. I hunt. I also completely agree with you.

What do you think of Barry's proposal that physicians should have a means to report patients who they believe to be too mentally ill to safely own a firearm? How about the proposed ban on selling guns to people on the terrorist watch list / no-fly list?

I don't really have an issue with the mentally ill part, since the rec would come from private citizens... The no-fly/no-gun list makes sense on paper, by my understanding is that there is ZERO due process involved in being placed ON the no fly list, so that is more concerning (POTENTIAL for abuse, if you will).

sppspspls wrote:

I think everyone has a right to practice religion, but that preachy thejeff really annoys me

Same.

no it's not wrote:

[quote]OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

The end game of the liberal left is registration, then confiscation of all firearms. Been stated by many on multiple occasions. quote]

Stated by many idiots or people with an agenda. Even in Canada, where they have crazy strict gun laws, when they had registration (now cancelled) they didn't confiscate all firearms. They got to keep their guns. And they don't have the 2nd amendment. What you are doing is buying into fear mongering - which preys on the weak minded. I don't expect you to change your mind, because you are weak minded, but you are just a victim of your own stupidity. Don't worry, you can keep your guns - to protect yourself from your fear, you frightened pathetic fool.

Frightened I'm not, nor pathetic or weak. I will do whatever I have to do to protect myself, and my family. And no I won't change my mind, I've seen the erosion of gun rights first hand for far longer then you I suspect. And the continued call by those of your ilk that they want to ban them all. I don't think so. You want a gun ban? Move. Fortunately, the Canadians have a huge hunting heritage, also bring in millions of dollars in revenue as a result of hunting and fishing camps, outfitters etc. I don't agree with what they have done up there, but its their country, they can do what they want. The situation up there is such that had the politicians done what they really wanted to do, the economy would have tanked. and they would be thrown out of office. And that's bad for their political future.

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

Frightened I'm not, nor pathetic or weak. I will do whatever I have to do to protect myself, and my family. .

Yes you are. The only reason you own a handgun is because you are frightened. Fear is in your head and it's there because you are weak. It's ok, I don't care if people own guns, I want them to buy guns (for my investments), but don't pretend it makes you tough - you own a gun because you aren't tough. You are frightened and weak. You've been made to feel frigntened and you have bought into it. So you live your sad scared life protecting your family from the boogy men in your weak mind.

I do own a gun, because I hunt, but it stays at my cabin. I don't bring it into my home where it is much more likely to kill a member of family than protect my family. But, don't worry, I won't try to use logic or facts on you - fear is illogical, and since you are a frightened weak man, there is no amount of logic or common sense that can overpower your fear. This is good for me financially. Why? Because I invested in gun companies for one simple reason - profiting off of fear is money in the bank, that's what they are doing to you, and why the hell not joint them. Although SWHC is down a dollar today, it's still over double from when I bought it. Thanks to frightened people like you making me money! Keep living in fear, a lot of people profit from it.

A product of years of Fox News worshiping and a few months of getting suckered by Trump, who said in 1998 that if he ever ran for president he'd run as a republican because their voting base will believe anything.

thejeff wrote:

...what does that make me?

I don't see the harm in rigorous background checks to purchase assault rifles or in closing the "gun show" loophole.

-A Gun Nut

Congratulations! In the current political climate, this makes you a libtard. As evidenced by the responses in this thread, the anti-gun control movement rests on the conspiracy theory that the terrifying liberals are coming to break down your door and take all your weapons. Newsflash to the people living in the Breitbart comments section: the vast majority of liberals don't want to ban guns. Obama is not trying to confiscate everyone's weapons. I swear, some of you people would protest freedom-crushing seatbelt requirements if the right people told you to.

hope this helps! wrote:

A product of years of Fox News worshiping and a few months of getting suckered by Trump, who said in 1998 that if he ever ran for president he'd run as a republican because their voting base will believe anything.

Link?

Funny how many on here are pushing the 2nd amendment envelope as the main way to protect their "right" to guns. You might want to read the 2nd amendment carefully to see no such right exists. Or just read this article:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/06/second-amendment-guns-michael-waldman

Furthermore, it seems that few of you have problems when the government creates law on smoking in public places. Hmm, sounds to me this might be even more of an invasion of privacy.

Guns for killing people should be outlawed. Uzis, semi-automatic, automatic and whatever other "killer" gun manufactured have no place in our society. Manufactures should be sued and if that doesn't work, how about charing a hefty "death tax" for every "killer" gun manufactured and sold.

I have little problems with hunting guns and single shot handguns, but draw the line when it comes to these mass murder guns that are selling like hotcakes.

If states don't want to control the selling of guns, which seems pretty obvious the further south you go, then the fed needs to step in and solve this problem. And it is a problem. Just ask any parent from Newtown. And before you cry about Terrorists coming and killing us all, take note that most of the mass killings in recent years have been done by good old Americans.

So, if you are all for cutting out smoking because it is dangerous to your health, why don't you have the same thoughts about "killer" guns?

You know what annoys me? A crybaby president writing laws that would not have stopped one of these mass shootings. Newton, Columbine, etc. Even the liberal "fact checkers" at the AP and Wapo agree these new regulations wouldn't have stopped anything.

A people magazine reporter claimed he said it, although he denied it and there is no link. But use common sense. Look at the below link. Do you think Trump walks down the streets of new york posing like that during his normal course of business? Of course he's putting on an act.

He's appealing to his supporters. He's actually a pretty smart guy, but you won't hear him saying many intelligent detailed policy proposals. That doesn't appeal to his base. "I will do a good job, a very very good job" is all his supporters need, coupled with mocking a few demographics every now and then.

https://tribktla.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/trump-reporter.jpg

thejeff wrote:

I don't really have an issue with the mentally ill part, since the rec would come from private citizens...

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Once you realize that liberals think that every conservative is "mentally ill" by definition, then you should understand why we need to fight this. We should always assume that any power granted to the government will be abused. It always has been, and always will be. The government lies about what is trying to do. Always. They can't be trusted.

DiscoGary wrote:

Once you realize that liberals think that every conservative is "mentally ill" by definition, then you should understand why we need to fight this. We should always assume that any power granted to the government will be abused. It always has been, and always will be. The government lies about what is trying to do. Always. They can't be trusted.

I know that this may be a difficult concept for you to comprehend but "you" and "every conservative" are two different notions.

Pointing Out the Obvious wrote:

DiscoGary wrote:

Once you realize that liberals think that every conservative is "mentally ill" by definition, then you should understand why we need to fight this. We should always assume that any power granted to the government will be abused. It always has been, and always will be. The government lies about what is trying to do. Always. They can't be trusted.

I know that this may be a difficult concept for you to comprehend but "you" and "every conservative" are two different notions.

Exhibit A.

Dude After Man Who Says This ^ wrote:

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

The NRA's "extreme" stance is because the more one chips away at the rights of law abiding Americans, the easier it is to get to the end game as stated in a previous post. They really are the only organization standing between us, the law abiding gun owners, and those that would take them away...............as they did in the UK for the most part and Australia.

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Look how it turned out in the UK and Australia - here's a clue for you - THE BAD GUYS ALWAYS GET THEIR GUNS!!! Violence and crime THROUGH THE ROOF. Government OPPRESSION beyond anything you can imagine if you don't actually live there. And here's the kicker - GUN DEATHS ABSOLUTELY OFF THE CHARTS!!!

are you...retarded? the UK, Australia, and Japan (all countries which outlaw firearms) have very rates of homicides committed by gun violence.

anyway, i have to think you're just a troll. you can't be this stupid.

"I do own a gun, because I hunt, but it stays at my cabin. I don't bring it into my home where it is much more likely to kill a member of family than protect my family"

Oh weak (minded) one, do you really believe that the gun is going to kill someone?

DiscoGary wrote:

The government lies about what is trying to do. Always. They can't be trusted.

We live in a representative democracy. The people we elected created government agencies and employ government workers to implement services the people vote for. If the government is fundamentally untrustworthy, you're saying the American people are fundamentally untrustworthy.

The Gallant Pig Man wrote:

As evidenced by the responses in this thread, the anti-gun control movement rests on the conspiracy theory that the terrifying liberals are coming to break down your door and take all your weapons.

Exhibit A:

DiscoGary wrote:

Once you realize that liberals think that every conservative is "mentally ill" by definition, then you should understand why we need to fight this. We should always assume that any power granted to the government will be abused. It always has been, and always will be. The government lies about what is trying to do. Always. They can't be trusted.

DiscoGary wrote:

Pointing Out the Obvious wrote:

I know that this may be a difficult concept for you to comprehend but "you" and "every conservative" are two different notions.

Exhibit A.

True to form, the Disco Kid cannot make the distinction.

guy mcgee wrote:

Legitimate question here from someone who, somewhat like the OP, is pro-gun but anti-NRA. What benefit would registration provide?

Well, the example is automobiles.

Vehicle registration helps some with law and order.

It's harder for criminals to use stolen vehicles because of registration and it's a way to track all vehicles out there.

Ideally, each gun that gets sold would be registered so that gun is tracked to that owner.

It makes things more difficult for criminals.

Doesn't stop them, just like locking your doors don't but at least locking your doors helps.

I understand not wanting the government to have a list of all of your things.

But a gun is a very serious thing to have.

And I think if you can lose your right to drive, you can lose your right to have a gun. (I know that's not exactly the same because you can still own a car and not have a license)

But if I am in the minority in feeling this way, I am perfectly fine with democracy saying that gun registration is not necessary.

Although ... there was a recent gun control bill that was proposed that wasn't even allowed to go before congress for a vote. I am not sure if that is democracy.