the faith people have in KB is like religion - the # of people who came back from long stretches of injury and less than top level performance to win the OG or WC is very very small. Viren? Anyone else?
He ran 2:05 almost two years ago in a 2nd tier marathon and had one solid HM.
Vs. the huge accomplisments of an uninjured Farah and the usual unpredictable crop of east africans.
KB won't be on the 10k team and if he is he won't medal.
Would love to see a fit Bekele run the 10 in Rio, honestly it would be a tall order for him to approach his top form of the past.
Anyone who thinks Mo would not be up to facing Bekele is stupid. Farah is able to face the best and win consistently.
He's not a lock for gold, but certainly remains the favorite.
agip wrote:
the faith people have in KB is like religion - the # of people who came back from long stretches of injury and less than top level performance to win the OG or WC is very very small. Viren? Anyone else?
He ran 2:05 almost two years ago in a 2nd tier marathon and had one solid HM.
Vs. the huge accomplisments of an uninjured Farah and the usual unpredictable crop of east africans.
KB won't be on the 10k team and if he is he won't medal.
Carlos Lopes came back from a long stretch of injuries following his 10000m silver to win the 1984 marathon at the age of 37.
Outkicked wrote:
Well,. wrote:I didn´t know they will have a half marathon race in Rio.
That Kenny beat Mo was not because he had the better kick, but because of superior tactics. He let Farah believe he was toast and then he surprised Farah on the downhill. Farah got a lot closer the last few hundred meters.
Someone who thinks Kenny will beat a Farah in top shape on the track is living in fantasy land.
Farah was outkicked for more than a mile. Can't handle it, can you? You hero Farah's coat of armor is made a tissue paper.
You clearly didn´t watch the race, idiot.
Odoodle wrote:
tony the tiger wrote:I beg to dif .... Healthy or not Bekele wont touch Mo at the moment let alone beat him..
You can hope or dream all you want but reality will set in @Rio Olympics
Well, you're wrong. Farah has shown nothing to indicate he can run 26:17 or 12:37.
Surely you don´t think Kenny B is capable of anything like that nowadays. If you do, you´re a retard of epic proportions.
Well,. wrote:
Outkicked wrote:Farah was outkicked for more than a mile. Can't handle it, can you? You hero Farah's coat of armor is made a tissue paper.
You clearly didn´t watch the race, idiot.
I did watch the race. I did not watch the race wearing Mobot Goggles, as you did.
Well,. wrote:
Surely you don´t think Kenny B is capable of anything like that nowadays. If you do, you´re a retard of epic proportions.
Eric, Eric, Eric Lindsey. UR still here.
Wish people would stop bringing up what bekele did a long time ago. The only relevant data is what he is currently doing. Currently Mo is the man to beat. I would Guess Bekele could get back to being competitive at 10000 again but he is likely to get beat by some of his own country men and A few other guys out there. While we would all love to see him back in the form he use to be in, it's not going to happen.
Interesting thread.I agree with agin that very, VERY few folks ever return to that kind of peak form after long, nagging injury bouts. Statistically, it simply doesn't happen.That saidWhat is he currently doing? Well, in their last matchup, he handed Mo a defeat. Before making excuses about him outsmarting Mo, or whatever, tell me who else would've beaten Mo in that race? We know Mo is a good HM runner, yet Bekele controlled that race. Not Mo. Bekele then went on to run a damn impressive marathon debut. He may not get back in to 12:37 form, or 22:17 form, but we know he has the aerobic capacity to run well, and has the savvy to beat Mo, and he has the confidence, something most of Mo's competitor's don't seem to have.I'm not sure it's as simple as "Mo can beat anyone" at all --- no more so than "Bekele ran 12:37"
Use your brain wrote:
Wish people would stop bringing up what bekele did a long time ago. The only relevant data is what he is currently doing. Currently Mo is the man to beat. I would Guess Bekele could get back to being competitive at 10000 again but he is likely to get beat by some of his own country men and A few other guys out there. While we would all love to see him back in the form he use to be in, it's not going to happen.
I watched the video of that race. The fans started crowding the course toward the end to the point where it was basically one man wide. Farah tried to get by Bekele once, was held back and then the crowd made it impossible to pass. Nevertheless, Bekele ran the smarter race and had the right tactics and took the prize. Farah has been by far the better 5k/10k runner the past five seasons.
What Bekele was at its best was very, very special, but he lost that something extra and has never gotten it back.
[quote]agip wrote:
the faith people have in KB is like religion - the # of people who came back from long stretches of injury and less than top level performance to win the OG or WC is very very small. Viren? Anyone else?
He ran 2:05 almost two years ago in a 2nd tier marathon and had one solid HM.
KB ran a 2:05 low marathon in the spring of 2014. He is 33 years old and a multi Olympic and World Champs gold medalist along with a world records in the 5k and 10k.
Seeing as how he is not dead or permanently disabled, it is silly to be so certain he will not compete in the 2016 games.
[quote]A charade wrote:
[quote]agip wrote:
the faith people have in KB is like religion - the # of people who came back from long stretches of injury and less than top level performance to win the OG or WC is very very small. Viren? Anyone else?
Wow.
Agip is ignorant on a multiple of topics
jjjjjj wrote:
I watched the video of that race. The fans started crowding the course toward the end to the point where it was basically one man wide. Farah tried to get by Bekele once, was held back and then the crowd made it impossible to pass. Nevertheless, Bekele ran the smarter race and had the right tactics and took the prize. Farah has been by far the better 5k/10k runner the past five seasons.
What Bekele was at its best was very, very special, but he lost that something extra and has never gotten it back.
LOL ... Farah fans. He did not actually lose to Kenny B. It was the crowd's fault.
Beating Farah by outsmarting him just 2 years ago, and running two 2:05 marathons a year ago, somehow means someone lost something and doesn't have it any more. Farah has nothing to worry about except his brand image being ruined by losing to Kenny B. Farah will not take the risk running against Kenny B.; it is financially too risky.
let's remember, shall we, that KB beat Farah in a HM, not on the track?
Farah is a track runner who dabbles on the roads - his results there aren't very meaningful.
Farah vs Bekele
26:46 vs 26:17
buckley1016 wrote:
Farah vs Bekele
26:46 vs 26:17
Farah ran 26:46 to win. There's too many ventolins here and too few people who have actually raced.
agip wrote:
let's remember, shall we, that KB beat Farah in a HM, not on the track?
Farah is a track runner who dabbles on the roads - his results there aren't very meaningful.
Ummm, Farah has run a 59:30ish half-marathon, and 2:08 marathon. Not meaningful?
What you are missing is that Mo's kick was beaten. It does not matter whether you're on the track or roads. Getting outkicked--being toyed with actually--should never happen if you want to be claimed as the greatest kicker of all-time. Farah can only kick well in slow races.
Can he even make the team?
He tried and failed in 2013.
Though that was Ethiopia's fault for having a stupid selection system.
Bekele had the world leading time until a few Ehtipians set up a fast 10 in
Italy.
Bekele wound up as the #4 Ethiopian as well as #4 time in the world.
He hasn't touched the track the last two years.
Thank you,Captain Obvious. As I said, they are running well below his best- i.e., more than 20 seconds slower than the WR. He has come back before. He got back into 26:40s and kicked well in Brussels after a DNF at worlds. My point is that he may be able to do that again if he can stay healthy. If he does, he is competitive in Rio. He does not need to run 26:17 again.
Say . . . what? wrote:
Roelants wrote:The top 5 in the world can run 26:40s, well under KBs best..
What? You do know that KB's best is well under 26:40, right? WRs are usually the best time ever, but maybe not.
Roelants wrote:
Thank you,Captain Obvious. As I said, they are running well below his best- i.e., more than 20 seconds slower than the WR. He has come back before. He got back into 26:40s and kicked well in Brussels after a DNF at worlds. My point is that he may be able to do that again if he can stay healthy. If he does, he is competitive in Rio. He does not need to run 26:17 again.
Say . . . what? wrote:What? You do know that KB's best is well under 26:40, right? WRs are usually the best time ever, but maybe not.
This is what you wrote: The top 5 in the world can run 26:40s, well under KBs best...
KB's best is 26:17. 26:40s means losing 1 second to KB PER LAP.