25 Americans now have the Olympic standard in marathon but won't be at the Trials. Should USATF let them in?

If they change to 2:19/2:45, expect bigger crowds at Houston.

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wineturtle wrote:

My position:
Adjust the standard for the Trials marathon to reflect the OG standard and leave the existing standard as is for entry via a 1/2 marathon time.

a tangent thought:
That 57% of the field will be testing themselves to find out if they can actually run a competitive marathon seems a bit high for a race that primarily is designed to select our OG Marathon Team.

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Weldon is looking to find the arbitration decision from 2011/12. I have emailed USATF for comment. We'll update the article if we hear anything.

I'd have to say no.

1)- I think the marathon standard is a lot more easy to obtain than the ones on the track

Wasn't there over75 people who hit the 2012 trials qualifier?

People say the track is limited on lanes but in swimming they almost let everyone who is decent swim in the trials. I'm serious. Go look how many people swim in a certain event in the trials its crazy.

I can name female runners who were just 35min 10k runners in college and 6 months later hit the marathon trials.

The standards need to be more difficult because it's because more and more of a participation race.

I'm sorry If anyone is offended but ... come on.

I understand they hit the Olympic time...but maybe the Olympic time should be more difficult

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twotimer wrote:

I'd have to say no.

1)- I think the marathon standard is a lot more easy to obtain than the ones on the track

Wasn't there over75 people who hit the 2012 trials qualifier?

People say the track is limited on lanes but in swimming they almost let everyone who is decent swim in the trials. I'm serious. Go look how many people swim in a certain event in the trials its crazy.

I can name female runners who were just 35min 10k runners in college and 6 months later hit the marathon trials.

The standards need to be more difficult because it's because more and more of a participation race.

I'm sorry If anyone is offended but ... come on.

I understand they hit the Olympic time...but maybe the Olympic time should be more difficult

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USATF has responded to my inquiry with the following statement:

"As you know, the Olympic standards were just changed. We are looking into whether USATF Olympic Trials standards will need to be adjusted."

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Jonathan Gault wrote:

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Primo Numero Uno wrote:

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Jonathan Gault wrote:

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slo-twitch wrote:

the #s might be slightly off guys- for instance Joe Moore already has the OTQ with a 1:03 half. He wouldn't be a "new" qualifier. I didn't scan the whole list but there may be a few others included who have already qualified through half times

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We weren't saying he was a new qualifier for the OT. We were saying he's a new qualifier for the Olympics (he did not have the Olympic standard before but now he does).

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TheGarbageDisposal wrote:
Good article but some factual errors:

Tyler McCandless and Scott McPherson have qualified for the trials.
Tyler ran 2:15:26 at 2014 Twin Cities
Scot ran 2:16:02 at 2013 Twin Cities

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You are right. I updated the article.

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Also the article didn't mention the guys between 2:17 and 2:18 who are qualified for the trials but now also have the olympic standard.

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That's a good point too and I've updated the article. Originally I assumed that the OT standard and the old Olympic standard were the same, but the Olympic standard was actually a minute faster, as you said. So that change affects three guys.

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yes, for the marathon let anyone run who makes the OG standard

I can't think of a single serious reason why not.

Plus, the tiny field they have for the men just looks lame on tv - like a little local race.

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rojo wrote:

USATF has responded to my inquiry with the following statement:

"As you know, the Olympic standards were just changed. We are looking into whether USATF Olympic Trials standards will need to be adjusted."

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One more. (I am sure there are more out there, but this is the one I just realized since I've met her a couple of times)

Connie Teague - 2:44:47- 2013 CIM

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Jonathan Gault wrote:

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Primo Numero Uno wrote:

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Jonathan Gault wrote:

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slo-twitch wrote:

the #s might be slightly off guys- for instance Joe Moore already has the OTQ with a 1:03 half. He wouldn't be a "new" qualifier. I didn't scan the whole list but there may be a few others included who have already qualified through half times

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We weren't saying he was a new qualifier for the OT. We were saying he's a new qualifier for the Olympics (he did not have the Olympic standard before but now he does).

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TheGarbageDisposal wrote:
Good article but some factual errors:

Tyler McCandless and Scott McPherson have qualified for the trials.
Tyler ran 2:15:26 at 2014 Twin Cities
Scot ran 2:16:02 at 2013 Twin Cities

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You are right. I updated the article.

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Also the article didn't mention the guys between 2:17 and 2:18 who are qualified for the trials but now also have the olympic standard.

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That's a good point too and I've updated the article. Originally I assumed that the OT standard and the old Olympic standard were the same, but the Olympic standard was actually a minute faster, as you said. So that change affects three guys.

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There are already over 150 qualified for each gender. I feel like that is plenty.

You're right. The list I was using was missing a few guys.

Worth noting, though: the Olympic qualifying window opened January 1. So anyone who hasn't broken 2:19 since then doesn't have the Olympic standard.

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Primo Numero Uno wrote:

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Jonathan Gault wrote:

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Primo Numero Uno wrote:

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Jonathan Gault wrote:

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slo-twitch wrote:

the #s might be slightly off guys- for instance Joe Moore already has the OTQ with a 1:03 half. He wouldn't be a "new" qualifier. I didn't scan the whole list but there may be a few others included who have already qualified through half times

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We weren't saying he was a new qualifier for the OT. We were saying he's a new qualifier for the Olympics (he did not have the Olympic standard before but now he does).

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TheGarbageDisposal wrote:
Good article but some factual errors:

Tyler McCandless and Scott McPherson have qualified for the trials.
Tyler ran 2:15:26 at 2014 Twin Cities
Scot ran 2:16:02 at 2013 Twin Cities

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You are right. I updated the article.

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Also the article didn't mention the guys between 2:17 and 2:18 who are qualified for the trials but now also have the olympic standard.

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That's a good point too and I've updated the article. Originally I assumed that the OT standard and the old Olympic standard were the same, but the Olympic standard was actually a minute faster, as you said. So that change affects three guys.

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Looking at the trials site this is the complete list of guys between 2:17 and 2:18.

Sean Brown 2:17:02 B Grandma's Marathon Duluth MN USA 6/21/2014
Matt Pelletier 2:17:02 B NU Hartford Marathon Hartford CT USA 10/11/2014
David Laney 2:17:02 B California International Marathon Sacramento CA USA 12/11/2014
Scott Wietecha 2:17:02 B Bank of America Chicago Marathon Chicago IL USA 10/11/2015
Andrew Huebner 2:17:05 B Grandma's Marathon Duluth MN USA 6/21/2014
Brian Harvey 2:17:05 B Medtronic Twin Cities Marathon/USA Championships Minneapolis MN USA 10/5/2014
Eric Ashe 2:17:06 B Grandma's Marathon Duluth MN USA 6/20/2015
Chris Chavez 2:17:07 B California International Marathon Sacramento CA USA 12/12/2014
Daniel Tapia 2:17:14 B ASICS LA Marathon Los Angeles CA USA 3/15/2015
Brett Gotcher 2:17:16 B 118th B.A.A. Boston Marathon Boston MA USA 4/21/2014
Drew Polley 2:17:23 B California International Marathon Sacramento CA USA 12/8/2013
Ethan Shaw 2:17:26 B Medtronic Twin Cities Marathon/USA Championships Minneapolis MN USA 10/6/2013
Tony Migliozzi 2:17:27 B Chevron Houston Marathon Houston TX USA 1/18/2015
Dan Vassallo 2:17:28 B Gore-Tex Philadelphia Marathon Philadelphia PA USA 11/23/2014
Jason Witt 2:17:31 B Bank of America Chicago Marathon Chicago IL USA 10/12/2014
Max King 2:17:32 B ASICS LA Marathon Los Angeles CA USA 3/15/2015
Curtis Begley 2:17:37 B California International Marathon Sacramento CA USA 12/14/2014
Bret Fransen 2:17:38 B Grandma's Marathon Duluth MN USA 6/21/2014
John Dewitt 2:17:38 B Bank of America Chicago Marathon Chicago IL USA 10/12/2014
Anthony Costales 2:17:48 B California International Marathon Sacramento CA USA 12/15/2014
Ryan Hall 2:17:50 B 118th B.A.A. Boston Marathon Boston MA USA 4/21/2014
Paul Petersen 2:17:54 B Grandma's Marathon Duluth MN USA 6/21/2014
Ryan Cosens 2:17:55 B Grandma's Marathon Duluth MN USA 6/20/2015
Chris Lemon 2:18:00 B Bank of America Chicago Marathon Chicago IL USA 10/11/2015
Jesse Davis 2:18:00 B Indianapolis Monumental Marathon Indianapolis IN USA 11/7/2015

A lot more than 3 guys.

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[quote]Jonathan Gault wrote:

You're right. The list I was using was missing a few guys.

Worth noting, though: the Olympic qualifying window opened January 1. So anyone who hasn't broken 2:19 since then doesn't have the Olympic standard.[quote]

So should USATF only have to let in guys between 2:18 and 2:19 who have run that time since Jan 1st?

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Primo Numero Uno wrote:

[quote]Jonathan Gault wrote:

You're right. The list I was using was missing a few guys.

Worth noting, though: the Olympic qualifying window opened January 1. So anyone who hasn't broken 2:19 since then doesn't have the Olympic standard.[quote]

So should USATF only have to let in guys between 2:18 and 2:19 who have run that time since Jan 1st?

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TheGarbageDisposal wrote:

One more. (I am sure there are more out there, but this is the one I just realized since I've met her a couple of times)

Connie Teague - 2:44:47- 2013 CIM

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In the past, several point-to-point courses were not IAAF/Olympic qualifying races--most notably CIM, Grandma's, and LA Marathon. If that is still the case, someone could have run under the Olympic time standard but at a non-qualifying course/race. Man this is getting complicated!

Also, does anyone know if times from Rock N Roll San Diego 1/2 were accepted for the Trials? I seem to recall some debate on that topic due to the amount of net drop back in the spring.

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trials fan16 wrote:

In the past, several point-to-point courses were not IAAF/Olympic qualifying races--most notably CIM, Grandma's, and LA Marathon. If that is still the case, someone could have run under the Olympic time standard but at a non-qualifying course/race. Man this is getting complicated!

Also, does anyone know if times from Rock N Roll San Diego 1/2 were accepted for the Trials? I seem to recall some debate on that topic due to the amount of net drop back in the spring.

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rojo wrote:

Weldon is looking to find the arbitration decision from 2011/12. I have emailed USATF for comment. We'll update the article if we hear anything.

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andicamp wrote:

I don't have a problem with letting more people run the marathon trials, but it's a little late to be changing the standard. I know a number of women that would very likely have been able to run the 2:45, but instead chased the 2:43, blew up in the last few miles and came in between 2:45 and 2:47. That's a rough break for them.

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