I just realized how fast elite distance runners actually run, wtf.

In high school, the idea was:

1. Sign up for team, and run intervals for two weeks

2. Race 2 - 3 times per week for the following month and a half.

3. Those last two weeks of racing, we'd actually get kinda fast and run some good (high school) times.

The hard core kids would run XC too, and get all the faster. But, the basic idea was, you can race off two weeks of intervals. And we did.

Horst Girth wrote:

In high school, the idea was:

1. Sign up for team, and run intervals for two weeks

2. Race 2 - 3 times per week for the following month and a half.

3. Those last two weeks of racing, we'd actually get kinda fast and run some good (high school) times.

The hard core kids would run XC too, and get all the faster. But, the basic idea was, you can race off two weeks of intervals. And we did.

Pretty well our procedure back in my HS days. Low mileage but hard runs any time out. Probably youth and basic fitness paying off here.

Cross country, three times a week 3 - 4 miles racing each other.

Track, sprints, intervals lots of 220 yds. 440 yds, 880 yds etc. Runs 4 times a week. Races once a week.

I was thinking the exact same thing...

but why wrote:

why is nobody talking about foot speed velocity acceleration tho

ohmnom wrote:

How the **** can people run 18 second 100 meters for 5000 meters? Do you have to be able to run sub 12 100 meters to not be in sprinting form when running this fast?

Not really. These guys can run much closer to their max than you or I, so their top speed doesn't have to be as quick as you might deduce just proportionally.

Let's say Ngugi Ngugi has a 27:00 10k and I have a 36:00. I am 33% slower than him; he is running 16.2 per 100m and I am running 21.6. Does that mean that since my best 100 is 13.0 and 13.0/1.33=9.8, he must have a 9.8? Nope. He probably has an 11.x but can run closer to top speed than I can using a given energy system.

asdfasdhfiu wrote:

ohmnom wrote:

This is how fast they are running per 100m in a 5K.

12:37 = 00.1514 a meter = 15.4

Nope, 15.1

One of the two improperly converted times.

ohmnom wrote:

This is how fast they are running per 100m in a 5K.

12:37 = 00.1514 a meter = 15.4

13:00 = 00.156 a meter = 15.6

14:00 = 00.168 a meter = 16.8

15:00 = 00.18 a meter = 18

16:00 = 00.192 a meter = 19.2

17:00 = 00.204 a meter = 20.4

How the **** can people run 18 second 100 meters for 5000 meters? Do you have to be able to run sub 12 100 meters to not be in sprinting form when running this fast?

I can run a 13 second 100 meter but I can't imagine running that speed for 5000 meters, it's insane. My 5K best is 19:50. I run 25 miles per week. I'm not messing about with this LSD crap anymore, I'm running at 18 second 100 meter speeds, until I run out of breath and try again for my daily miles. Teach the body a lesson.

Its what they do. Its like the rubics cube guy, or the guy who pulls birds. Its a gift, and they can sometimes wonder how you may play the piano.

Don't feel bad.

ohmnom wrote:

I mean... wrote:

Haha. The best guys in the world are running that pace for a marathon.

Marathon WR - 2:02:57 -- 4:41/mile -- 70.25 seconds per 400 meters --- 17.56 seconds per 100 meters.

So basically they are running as fast as they can possibly run for 26 miles? The only thing holding them back is basic speed, that's the bottleneck?

That, and their leg speed velocity. Improving one's leg speed velocity will improve one's performance at all distances.

TrackCoach wrote:

Practically all of your great 5k/10k guys were also world class milers, there have even been many successful marathoners who were world class milers.

The craziest races I can remember that first made me amazed at how fast the elites were running were the Olympic 10K race about ten years ago where the leaders ran sub 13 for the second 5K (this was at a time when only Bob Kennedy was the only American to have run sub 13), and El G ran about 1:46 on the last 800 of the 1500 meter race (and closed in under 52). Considering most collegians can't run 1:46 fresh and most high schoolers can't break 52, it was crazy to fathom.

Nohn Ngugi never ran 11.x in his life.

young master wrote:

Not really. These guys can run much closer to their max than you or I, so their top speed doesn't have to be as quick as you might deduce just proportionally.

Let's say Ngugi Ngugi has a 27:00 10k and I have a 36:00. I am 33% slower than him; he is running 16.2 per 100m and I am running 21.6. Does that mean that since my best 100 is 13.0 and 13.0/1.33=9.8, he must have a 9.8? Nope. He probably has an 11.x but can run closer to top speed than I can using a given energy system.

Long distance runners have no speed. Mo Farah's 100 PB is 12.98

ohmnom wrote:

This is how fast they are running per 100m in a 5K.

12:37 = 00.1514 a meter = 15.4

13:00 = 00.156 a meter = 15.6

14:00 = 00.168 a meter = 16.8

15:00 = 00.18 a meter = 18

16:00 = 00.192 a meter = 19.2

17:00 = 00.204 a meter = 20.4

How the **** can people run 18 second 100 meters for 5000 meters? Do you have to be able to run sub 12 100 meters to not be in sprinting form when running this fast?

I can run a 13 second 100 meter but I can't imagine running that speed for 5000 meters, it's insane. My 5K best is 19:50. I run 25 miles per week. I'm not messing about with this LSD crap anymore, I'm running at 18 second 100 meter speeds, until I run out of breath and try again for my daily miles. Teach the body a lesson.

Calm down Emil Zatopek.

Lol, are the trollers picking good topics this week or am i getting soft in my old age?

i'll bite, pretty sure he's closed the last 400 of races in under 50 seconds lol.

mediocre sprinter wrote:

Long distance runners have no speed. Mo Farah's 100 PB is 12.98

wtfunny wrote:

Nohn Ngugi never ran 11.x in his life.

young master wrote:

Not really. These guys can run much closer to their max than you or I, so their top speed doesn't have to be as quick as you might deduce just proportionally.

Let's say Ngugi Ngugi has a 27:00 10k and I have a 36:00. I am 33% slower than him; he is running 16.2 per 100m and I am running 21.6. Does that mean that since my best 100 is 13.0 and 13.0/1.33=9.8, he must have a 9.8? Nope. He probably has an 11.x but can run closer to top speed than I can using a given energy system.

You underline my point :)

efewfwef wrote:

i'll bite, pretty sure he's closed the last 400 of races in under 50 seconds lol.

mediocre sprinter wrote:

Long distance runners have no speed. Mo Farah's 100 PB is 12.98

young master wrote:

wtfunny wrote:

Nohn Ngugi never ran 11.x in his life.

You underline my point :)

I also mistyped "John". :)