dude. this is ALL public record. all you need to do is put in a public records request at your local police dept and you can retrieve these records. nothing here is supposed to be "secret" until a trial.
and as far as "court of public opinion," guess what, life isn't fair, tough. don't want to get judged in public eye, don't eff up like this! pretty simple solution.
world in flames. wrote:
dude. this is ALL public record. all you need to do is put in a public records request at your local police dept and you can retrieve these records. nothing here is supposed to be "secret" until a trial.
and as far as "court of public opinion," guess what, life isn't fair, tough. don't want to get judged in public eye, don't eff up like this! pretty simple solution.
The point is for the cases where people didn't "eff up", but are tried, have their name dragged through the mud, only to be ultimately found innocent. Your presumption that one would only be in such a situation if they "effed up" is exactly my point.
This story is sickening, can't even imagine living with something like that hanging over you for 2.5 years...
A.N. Other Source wrote:
Yoodles wrote:What admissions did he make?
Another story:
http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/college/ua/2015/05/06/arizona-wildcats-track-coach-threatened-student-with-box-cutter/70905002/Court records showed Carter, who coaches athletes in the throwing sports like the shot put and discus, waived his Miranda Rights when he admitted to the crimes.
And one with a prescient headline:
http://tucson.com/sports/college/wildcats/greg-hansen-carter-knows-no-boundary-while-recruiting-for-ua/article_5697c498-f069-5cff-835f-0f5519457e45.htmlMy issue is suing the university for not protecting her.
If she came to the AD or someone else and they failed to act then I can see that, but it is hard to protect someone that never lets you know they are in danger to begin with.
Also, he was going to blackmail her with the naked photos. Gonna say that naked photos of a person is not that big of a deal these days. Actually she then had more power than he did. She could say, "Send them out but under university policy and NCAA documents having even a consensual sexual relationship would just get you fired".
Yes he was in a powerful position (scholarship, coaching, meet appearances, etc) but she was not helpless and should have done something much sooner to stop the rape after that first attack.
Women need to report these assaults to the police (I trust them over university officials any day). That is part of the way to stop rapists.
luv2run wrote:
My issue is suing the university for not protecting her.
If she came to the AD or someone else and they failed to act then I can see that, but it is hard to protect someone that never lets you know they are in danger to begin with.
Also, he was going to blackmail her with the naked photos. Gonna say that naked photos of a person is not that big of a deal these days. Actually she then had more power than he did. She could say, "Send them out but under university policy and NCAA documents having even a consensual sexual relationship would just get you fired".
Yes he was in a powerful position (scholarship, coaching, meet appearances, etc) but she was not helpless and should have done something much sooner to stop the rape after that first attack.
Women need to report these assaults to the police (I trust them over university officials any day). That is part of the way to stop rapists.
It is likely, and probable that neither Coach Harvey or the AD had any idea of what was going on until the other girls filed orders of protection. If Penn State taught us anything it is about self-preservation
messi wrote:
luv2run wrote:My issue is suing the university for not protecting her.
If she came to the AD or someone else and they failed to act then I can see that, but it is hard to protect someone that never lets you know they are in danger to begin with.
Also, he was going to blackmail her with the naked photos. Gonna say that naked photos of a person is not that big of a deal these days. Actually she then had more power than he did. She could say, "Send them out but under university policy and NCAA documents having even a consensual sexual relationship would just get you fired".
Yes he was in a powerful position (scholarship, coaching, meet appearances, etc) but she was not helpless and should have done something much sooner to stop the rape after that first attack.
Women need to report these assaults to the police (I trust them over university officials any day). That is part of the way to stop rapists.
It is likely, and probable that neither Coach Harvey or the AD had any idea of what was going on until the other girls filed orders of protection. If Penn State taught us anything it is about self-preservation
You must be new to the pshychology of women and abusive "relationships" because she could have possible leveraged something does not mean she had any control of the situation. I can not believe people are trying to defend carter in this situation. I would not doubt if most of the dfenders have had naughty thoughts or relations with their teams. Tisk tisk to you all.
Harvey also has a responsibility to the kids and their parents to keep them safe. As head coach he is responsible for the actions of his staff, buck stops at him. AD on the other hand should not be implicated unless some issue had been brought to his attention early and he ignored it.
slam wrote:
Wow. What a maniac. Surprised this hasn't gotten more attention on this site. I feel so badly for that girl. Anyone have any more information on this?
I agree. I'm amazed this wasn't huge news in the spring on the messageboard.
Here is another article on the matter from the spring where it says the throws coach waived his Miranda rights and admitted many of the allegations were true:
http://tucson.com/news/blogs/police-beat/women-seek-court-protection-from-former-ua-coach/article_75425a94-0bcb-11e5-8bc8-6fcdebbc4a5e.htmlIn other news, a prominent U of Arizona dean has criminally been charged with sexual assault.
http://tucson.com/news/local/crime/woman-told-detectives-she-blacked-out-at-ua-dean-s/article_921fc060-7dbe-11e5-88fe-8fd68a8a9b54.htmlluv2run wrote:
My issue is suing the university for not protecting her.
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Yes he was in a powerful position (scholarship, coaching, meet appearances, etc) but she was not helpless and should have done something much sooner to stop the rape after that first attack.
Women need to report these assaults to the police (I trust them over university officials any day). That is part of the way to stop rapists.
This is not a black and white issue.
Universities are arguably obligated to protect their students. The same way that a parent can go to jail for not feeding a kid, a university can commit a crime for not taking sufficient steps to protect those in its care.
What a horrible situation... To those 'defending' the University & AD, saying why include them - you have to seriously be kidding. The University absolutely has to put into place mechanisms to ensure that the students are not in danger from the very people who are there to protect and guide them.. the staff, faculty and coaches. Did they know? No clue. Should they have known that over the course of 2.5 years a coach was having a relationship with a student in violation of university and NCAA policies? Absolutely.
Apart from the young women, I also feel like TJ Crater is in a tough spot. He will likely lose his head coach over this which puts his own job in jeopardy. At minimum.. the recruiting pipeline for young female throwers will likely dry up - fewer parents will want their young daughters at a school where this was ignored...
And to those saying Carter is innocent - difficult to defend when he admitted the relationship & the boxcutter incident.
Arizona state and Arizona are littered with sexual perverts and whores. No where else in the United States of America can compare.
Thedirty wrote:
Arizona state and Arizona are littered with sexual perverts and whores. No where else in the United States of America can compare.
florida?
Situations like this are actually far more common than people know, and few wish to address it unless it hits this level of the Arizona Coach. My former jogging club member's daughter engaged in a sexual relationship with her h.s. track coach when she was 16. He was married with kids and threatened to submarine her college chances if she spoke. The power these coaches hold is immense. The school...a prominent mid western private school...simply moved him on as rumors began to swirl about this case and 3-4 others from years past. Unfortunately this is the type of school where its' reputation means more than truth often. Fortunately the father and the daughter sued both the coach and the school in '04 and received a settlement. This coach then went on to NAIA, where he was dismissed for more of the same, and now is a prominent Div III coach. Point being It is only with cases this over the top that we hear of it but there are many predators out there.
This makes me so angry and sick to my stomach.
pogo wrote:
Yoodles wrote:If it isn't true, then you should also be pissed off. That's completely unfair to publish such detail without a trial and conviction. If this guy is totally innocent (I didn't see in the article that he admitted guilt?) then he is completely ruined and embarrassed.
This isn't accurate. This is posting of details included in an article of public record, published by the court. While some of this is journalistic enterprise, this is all a matter of public record. It's literally the job of the paper to publish content like this.
No. What is inaccurate is your usage of the word accurate. Accuracy has nothing to do with what I said. My point stands.
world in flames. wrote:
Yoodles wrote:What admissions did he make?
really? read.
http://tucson.com/news/local/c...e64ed.html
Where are the admissions? In the first or second paragraph, it literally says he is pleading not guilty.
A.N. Other Source wrote:
Yoodles wrote:What admissions did he make?
Another story:
http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/college/ua/2015/05/06/arizona-wildcats-track-coach-threatened-student-with-box-cutter/70905002/Court records showed Carter, who coaches athletes in the throwing sports like the shot put and discus, waived his Miranda Rights when he admitted to the crimes.
I see. Not looking too good for him.
rojo wrote:
slam wrote:Wow. What a maniac. Surprised this hasn't gotten more attention on this site. I feel so badly for that girl. Anyone have any more information on this?
I agree. I'm amazed this wasn't huge news in the spring on the messageboard.
Here is another article on the matter from the spring where it says the throws coach waived his Miranda rights and admitted many of the allegations were true:
http://tucson.com/news/blogs/police-beat/women-seek-court-protection-from-former-ua-coach/article_75425a94-0bcb-11e5-8bc8-6fcdebbc4a5e.htmlIn other news, a prominent U of Arizona dean has criminally been charged with sexual assault.
http://tucson.com/news/local/crime/woman-told-detectives-she-blacked-out-at-ua-dean-s/article_921fc060-7dbe-11e5-88fe-8fd68a8a9b54.html
So when did Coach Harvey know, and what did he do about it?
Was Coach Carter still coaching after the orders-of-protection were filed?
Where are the Wildcats on here?
If Harvey is not involved with all the groups in a "touch base" basis then he could be negligent. It is the head coaches responsibility to find out if things are going good for the entire team even if there are no signs of "bad". Carter did have red flags. He has lost alot of athletes over the years transferring to get away from him. As a head coach that is a red flag. Honestly this behavior does not just appear so it is probably not his first.