Official D1 NCAA XC Live Discussion Thread

like that matters? syracuse showed up on the day it mattered and that's all that counts. that's why you run these things and don't just hand the trophy to the team ranked #1 at the end of the season.

fox and bell have developed and coached these young guys to some great things. not even going to respond to the moron who said they buy talent.

pretty cool but wrote:

Let's be honest here, Syracuse got incredibly lucky today.

CU had two big off days (Saarel and Moussa), who were both top 10 (?) last year.

If Joe Rosa runs a below average race and finishes like top 35, Stanford would win.

(1) I guess Wetmore is not such a god coach. How could two of his top runners have off days? He obviously did not prepare them properly.

(2) Fox got the most out of his runners. That is not luck.

(3) If I were faster than Cheserek, I would have won today.

eww wrote:

Colorado is the FIRST team of United States Runners.

would be sunk w/o their Canadians.

It just proves that you can buy a championship. Let the Cuse coach actually develop runners before we call him great.

1/10

Xenophobic Much!?

Arkansas has a crazy team.

Six races this year and six different guys as the top finisher:

Iona - Tunui

Chile Pepper - George

Pre Nat - Dalquist

SEC - Heymsfield

Regional - Gonzales

NCAA - Bruce

Lol, interesting to see all the Colorado haters. Yeah Wetmore sucks...it's not like they were back to back champs before this year...Haha

Syracuse ran awesome. Just glad Stanford didn't win. So funny that Colorado going 1st, 1st, 2ND is a "failure." You know guys, it is possible actually that both Wetmore AND Fox are good coaches.

ififif wrote:

pretty cool but wrote:

Let's be honest here, Syracuse got incredibly lucky today.

CU had two big off days (Saarel and Moussa), who were both top 10 (?) last year.

If Joe Rosa runs a below average race and finishes like top 35, Stanford would win.

(3) If I were faster than Cheserek, I would have won today.

If you stay exactly as you are at this very moment, you'd be a huge douche.

Takeaways from watching today's race:

1.) Goodbye Footlocker Curse

2.) King Ches has earned his name

3.) Louisville has some nice trees

show up wrote:

like that matters? syracuse showed up on the day it mattered and that's all that counts. that's why you run these things and don't just hand the trophy to the team ranked #1 at the end of the season.

fox and bell have developed and coached these young guys to some great things. not even going to respond to the moron who said they buy talent.

Agreed. Given the way SU went out, and how their 4 and 5 finished, it's clear that Syracuse is the team that WANTED IT MOST!.

Congratulations to the Orange! What a dream come true this is! Congratulations to all the fans, too, and the others who called this back in May, like me. ;-)

Oregon had a strong day, they pretty much placed about as high as they could.

Seems Maton not quite there for 10k yet. Both at regionals and Nats he faded noticeably last 2k. Great job though by all the top freshman.

Looking forward to track to see how they all do.

From CO. Had kiddos run there. Big fan of theirs.

Good job Syracuse. You won. Fair and square. All else is sour grapes. Moussa this Peason that, umm Sarell. Well they shoulda been ready. Cause was and kudos to them.

Hopefully CU brings if next year.

Funny that 2nd at Nats is a bad year. Must be doing something right

douchelin^3 wrote:

Lol, interesting to see all the Colorado haters.

I don't think people are hating on Colorado, I just think that people are saying Syracuse got lucky because they won when Colorado was the (arguably strong) favorite. I don't think that's necessarily true; Colorado pulled away characteristically from the entire field over the last 2k except for Syracuse, who pulled away from Colorado. If Syracuse hadn't run that strong over the last 2k, we'd all be saying "well one or two Colorado guys fell off, but their team strength over the distance saved them in the end." A guy earlier in the thread said it best, "Syracuse out-Colorado'ed Colorado."

Yes they did

Oklahoma finishes 15th, leading the Big 12 and besting conference champion OK State who comes in 18th. I think that's a nice little upset.

Interesting fact: The Big 12 only has 10 schools, of which only 9 have XC.

Exactly. Cuse trains for the 10k as well. They're very strong

Pre race predictions inevitably over valued the fitness of everyone on CU's team save Murphy and Dressel given high placings of Moussa, Saarel, and Pearson in past championships and Wetmore's history of peaking guys at nationals. Looking at this year's racing, nothing would indicate those guys were anything better than top 30 to top 40 performers. They ran up to their fitness and got beat by a team that ran great. Bigger question for me is why was their fitness below last year? Seems like illness and injury were the answer.

themanontherun wrote:

douchelin^3 wrote:

Lol, interesting to see all the Colorado haters.

I don't think people are hating on Colorado, I just think that people are saying Syracuse got lucky because they won when Colorado was the (arguably strong) favorite. I don't think that's necessarily true; Colorado pulled away characteristically from the entire field over the last 2k except for Syracuse, who pulled away from Colorado. If Syracuse hadn't run that strong over the last 2k, we'd all be saying "well one or two Colorado guys fell off, but their team strength over the distance saved them in the end." A guy earlier in the thread said it best, "Syracuse out-Colorado'ed Colorado."

I don't really see it that way. Colorado did gain points in the last 2k on the third and fourth place teams (Stanford and Oregon) but they lost points to the fifth and sixth place teams (Iona and Arkansas) as well as to Syracuse.

Syracuse only had one guy who moved up significantly in the last 2k. They won because CU had two seniors (their 2-3 guys all year) who went significantly backwards in the placings in the last 2K, very uncharacteristic.

Monster run by Jonathan Greene (GTWN) finishing 3 seconds behind much more heralded fellow soph J Knight of 'cuse for 5th overall. Greene is a true soph with HS PRs of 4:24/9:21.

OSU cratered.

What were the points about Allie O? I didn't listen to the pre-race show.