Soprano wrote:
From memory, NYC is never particularly deep for Americans. Any sub-elite who has a shot at running in the sub-2:20 to mid-2:20 range really doesn't have a lot of motivation to run NY. Top guys like Meb and Nick Arciniaga do because they can get appearance fees, prize money, and have the potential to finish well in a WMM. But what is a 2:19 to 2:24 guy who is maybe dreaming about getting the 2:18 standard going to do in NYC? He's better off running Chicago or some other faster course earlier in the fall.
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Here you go Steve, this is what American marathoning depth looked like.
1983
http://web2.nyrrc.org/cgi-bin/...73179123621982
http://web2.nyrrc.org/cgi-bin/...73179123621981
http://web2.nyrrc.org/cgi-bin/...7317912362Just in case you are wondering where the Africans are, here are some facts that show that 2:06 African marathoners really haven't changed the NYCM very much, if at all.
(please excuse the formatting. the numbers got scrunched together)
YEAR 1st 5th 10th USA East Africans
1982 2:09:29 2:12:48 2:14:00 5 0
1981 2:08:13 2:11:36 2:13:23 3 0
1980 2:09:41 2:13:20 2:14:13 5 0
2015 2:10:34 2:13:24 2:15:49 2 7
2014 2:10:55 2:13:25 2:15:39 3 6
2013 2:08:24 2:10:41 2:12:03 0 8
2011 2:05:06 2:08:26 2:12:26 2 4
2010 2:08:14 2:11:30 2:14:07 2 5
2009 2:09:15 2:12:14 2:14:39 6 1
2008 2:08:43 2:13:33 2:16:37 4 1
2007 2:09:04 2:12:25 2:15:32 0 4
2006 2:09:58 2:11:24 2:13:13 6 1
How would Alberto Salazar have fared against today’s 2:04-05-06 runners. Alberto takes 3rd on the raw numbers, most likely takes 2nd in a real race.
Same course, same weather conditions.
1982 No 2:04 marathoners in the field. No 2:05s. No 2:06s. Not even a single 2:07 or a 2:08
2013 All of those 2:06 guys thought the Pulaski Bridge was Brokeback Mountain.
Year 1982 2013 2014
TempS 47 47 45
TempF 50 48 45
DewPt 30 32 26
WindSt 14 14 10 (27)
Wind1h 23 17 =
Wind2h 21 16 8 (27)
HM 1:04:55 1:05:06 1:06:55
1st 2:09:29 2:08:24 2:10:55
2nd 2:09:33 2:09:16 2:11:06
3rd 2:11:54 2:09:45 2:12:13
10th 2:14:00 2:12:03 2:15:39
20th 2:16:33 2:22:48 2:23:30
30th 2:18:10 2:27:37 2:26:52
40th 2:19:03 2:32:08 2:30:31
50th 2:20:30 2:34:56 2:32:42
100 2:25:45 2:42:05 2:39:27