Wada publishes suspended list!..Over half are italian

No, we don't agree. In the list, there is 90% of people who are not attached with any Sport Federation in Italy, but are doctors, pharmacists or couriers charged because the Italian specific law. The same people, in a Country like US or UK or Germany, can't be in any list, because there are not charges against them, since what they do is not prosecuted by any national law.

Put in your mind that WADA had the list of ALL the Italian involved in administrating, encouraging and trafficking in doping, so it's not true that WADA bans who broke WADA rules, because there is no WADA rule about the traffic of PED (roids or EPO and similar). In fact, the final target of the list is to inform ANY athlete that, in case of connection with one of the banned names, also themselves can be banned, and this is the third way for banning athletes, after :

1) To find illegal substances in their urine

2) To use the Biological Passport

3) To have connections with banned people, in the list for trafficking in doping.

About Italy, with the current law, there is a very strong action by NOC (Carabinieri), and last year about 400 people involved in the criminal traffic of doping substances were charged with criminal prosecutions.

The main field of acting, for these people, are the gyms, and who goes in the gyms, the most part without any agonistic goal.

The NOCS evaluated that about 40,000 people use roids and other PEDs without any competitive reason, but because part of a "pharmacological culture", and this situation put doped people at the same level of drug addicted, creating a catchment area which grows every year.

So, the main point is to hit who provides drugs, part of a criminal system that extends also to the agonistic sports its tentacles.

Italy, facing the problems, tries to get its house in order, and doesn't seem that Canada or UK try to do the same.

And, last thing : you need to become able to distinguish between marshalls and criminals, when we speak of doping. But probably for you it's difficult, because you don't have specific marshalls facing this problem.

Doping in sport is a matter of breaking the rules and ethics of a game, not a criminal matter. Throwing people in jail for it is completely the wrong approach.

Professional sports are entertainment. Sports that have banned doping - including with substances that are legal, such as pseudoephedrine - do so to enhance the value of their entertainment. More people will watch if they think it's "real." This is essentially a business matter between vendor and client, and it is not government's business to interfere merely to increase the marketability of the vendor's product.

If you're going to approach it as a public health issue and jail people on that basis, then it's not really about doping in sport. Is Italy going to start jailing people for taking legal substances like oxilofrine? That would be absurdly heavy-handed and counterproductive, as fans would surely turn away from a sport populated by criminals.

It is the responsibility (and the sole right) of the organizers of a sport to clean it up themselves and prove it to their audience. If they can't do it, nobody can.

Sorry, I can't agree with you.

The problem is very much wider than doping in sport. Doping is now a social problem, such as drugs like cocaine, heroin and similar.

The first step of the solution is to hit who is at the base of the chain : who traffics, administers and gives the substances, considering this criminal offences.

The business of pharmacs is the third in the world, and inside it, the business of doping involves about the 25% of criminal money produced cheating themselves, more than cheating other people.

Moral values, and self confidence, today are rare goods, and people needs a different education, not looking at economical results only.

This is the reason because I don't agree with the current phylosophy of antidoping : there is not education about moral values.

But, at the same time, I strongly agree to prosecute the "motors" of this behavior, the most part of whom are not officially in the world of sport.

So, we need to work at two different levels :

1) The normal law, considering criminal offence trafficking and selling doping substances, and also administring and encouraging doping, for all people producing disturbs in the normal life of normal people (such as pushers when we speak about strong drugs, creating addiction)

2) The law of sport, considering specific offence taking advantage from using illegal substances, as listed by WADA.

Sport is not something not connected with the normal life, and too many times we look at top Champions like they didn't have a private and personal life. This means that everybody trying to drive people, and specifically athletes of different disciplines, on a wrong road, MUST be prosecuted, because inspires weak people (yes, because for me all athletes assuming doping are weak persons) to do something against the right sense of legality.

I appreciated Coach Canova's post on Italian law, that was we needed to explain the large number of Italians on the list. Because U.S. laws are not as strict does not in anyway reflect the seriousness the USA takes anti doping. The USA has had a world class t&f anti doping programs for decades. USADA is the most funded, the most sophisticated and comprehensive. USADA conducts the most tests per athlete than any other nation and all of the notable high profile USA drug cheats were busted by USADA.

- With that said, the USA is a big country with a complicated legal/political system which make enacting laws difficult.

Half the cheats in the NYCM are Italian too.

This is pretty sad because I like John Travolta movies. Now we learn the Italians are worse than the Russians with all the illegal drugs they take.

Can this statement be backed up with facts . What Italian are you referring to?thank You

Clearly the fact that the Italian government has took steps to out and criminally prosecute any and all parties involved in doping has escaped you. After Being told by the professor you still refuse to see difference and bring in the Russian federation which as it transpired used political leverage to cover up wrong doing . please stop any and all derogatory posting intended to a country and people you have no knowledge of . Thank You

"please stop any and all derogatory posting intended to a country and people you have no knowledge of "

You mean a country that veers from fascist to lefty loonies? The one with the fastest tanks in reverse? The ones that would make NATO stronger by their absence? Got it.