Canova?
Looks like almost all of them involved in cycling.
Better link:
These are the drug ENABLERS. Mostly coaches, doctors and agents. Prominent names are Mark Block, Michele Ferrari, Lee Evans.
Lots of Italians, since they are the ones who most realize that EPO doesn't work on elites.
Note that "Mr. Amazing", Amel Tuka, has an Italian coach now, Ghidini (obviously not on the list, yet).
Trevor Graham was a sprinter, tied to Balco scandal and was a Jamaican.
Giro wrote:
Looks like almost all of them involved in cycling.
In the list there are a lot of Italian for a very simple reason : till now, Italy is the only Country where there is a law against doping, not only inside the world of sport, but with criminal penal relevance.
Wada didn't do anything, apart take the list of ALL people charged by different Italian Courts for the crime of "illegal traffic of doping substances".
So, maybe better to look at the list in opposite way : there is no Country in the World acting so hard with criminal laws against who imports, sells and uses doping.
I'd be curious to see, if in US there was a similar law, how many people could be charged for the same offences, and how many should be on the WADA list.
Meditate, my friends, meditate......
B-Sample wrote:
Better link:
https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/wada_prohibited_association_list_with_disclaimer_en_14sept2015.pdfThese are the drug ENABLERS. Mostly coaches, doctors and agents. Prominent names are Mark Block, Michele Ferrari, Lee Evans.
Lots of Italians, since they are the ones who most realize that EPO doesn't work on elites.
Note that "Mr. Amazing", Amel Tuka, has an Italian coach now, Ghidini (obviously not on the list, yet).
Glad they finally nailed Ferrari. For those who don't know Ferrari was Armstrong's doping doctor. From what I know Armstrong never gave him up though and he probably never would have. He had doping down to a very well thought out science. He was a really smart guy. To bad.
P.S. Ferrari=ironic name
Renato Canova wrote:
In the list there are a lot of Italian for a very simple reason : till now, Italy is the only Country where there is a law against doping, not only inside the world of sport, but with criminal penal relevance.
Wada didn't do anything, apart take the list of ALL people charged by different Italian Courts for the crime of "illegal traffic of doping substances".
So, maybe better to look at the list in opposite way : there is no Country in the World acting so hard with criminal laws against who imports, sells and uses doping.
I'd be curious to see, if in US there was a similar law, how many people could be charged for the same offences, and how many should be on the WADA list.
Meditate, my friends, meditate......
Thanks for informing us Mr. Canova. Makes a lot of sense.
Nice come back Renato.
This is not true. From WADA's website:
"As early as 1963, France had been the first country to enact anti-doping legislation. Other countries followed suit, but international cooperation in anti-doping affairs was long restricted to the Council of Europe. In the 1980s there was a marked increase in cooperation between international sports authorities and various governmental agencies. Before 1998 debate was still taking place in several discrete forums (IOC, Sports Federations, individual governments), resulting in differing definitions, policies, and sanctions. One result of this confusion was that doping sanctions were often disputed and sometimes overruled in civil courts."
Renato Canova wrote:
In the list there are a lot of Italian for a very simple reason : till now, Italy is the only Country where there is a law against doping, not only inside the world of sport, but with criminal penal relevance.
Wada didn't do anything, apart take the list of ALL people charged by different Italian Courts for the crime of "illegal traffic of doping substances".
So, maybe better to look at the list in opposite way : there is no Country in the World acting so hard with criminal laws against who imports, sells and uses doping.
I'd be curious to see, if in US there was a similar law, how many people could be charged for the same offences, and how many should be on the WADA list.
Meditate, my friends, meditate......
So other countries dope as well
Two wrongs don't make a right
Renato Canova wrote:
In the list there are a lot of Italian for a very simple reason : till now, Italy is the only Country where there is a law against doping, not only inside the world of sport, but with criminal penal relevance.
Wada didn't do anything, apart take the list of ALL people charged by different Italian Courts for the crime of "illegal traffic of doping substances".
So, maybe better to look at the list in opposite way : there is no Country in the World acting so hard with criminal laws against who imports, sells and uses doping.
I'd be curious to see, if in US there was a similar law, how many people could be charged for the same offences, and how many should be on the WADA list.
Meditate, my friends, meditate......
Fair point. Do you deny that someone like Federico Rosa is generally more "questionable" in his ethics than most managers?
Renato Canova wrote:
In the list there are a lot of Italian for a very simple reason : till now, Italy is the only Country where there is a law against doping, not only inside the world of sport, but with criminal penal relevance.
Wada didn't do anything, apart take the list of ALL people charged by different Italian Courts for the crime of "illegal traffic of doping substances".
So, maybe better to look at the list in opposite way : there is no Country in the World acting so hard with criminal laws against who imports, sells and uses doping.
I'd be curious to see, if in US there was a similar law, how many people could be charged for the same offences, and how many should be on the WADA list.
Meditate, my friends, meditate......
Well as we all know from the Foxy Knoxy affair that Italians are crack investigators. They probably mistakenly charges the only Italians innocent of doping.
I'll give you credit for using your own name Renato and sticking to your story, but some day there will be a reckoning for all of the corrupt European coaches and I hope Italy's justice system works then. Yet another natural resource in Africa abused by greedy Europeans.
MatthewTheHahn wrote:
B-Sample wrote:Better link:
https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/resources/files/wada_prohibited_association_list_with_disclaimer_en_14sept2015.pdfThese are the drug ENABLERS. Mostly coaches, doctors and agents. Prominent names are Mark Block, Michele Ferrari, Lee Evans.
Lots of Italians, since they are the ones who most realize that EPO doesn't work on elites.
Note that "Mr. Amazing", Amel Tuka, has an Italian coach now, Ghidini (obviously not on the list, yet).
Glad they finally nailed Ferrari. For those who don't know Ferrari was Armstrong's doping doctor. From what I know Armstrong never gave him up though and he probably never would have. He had doping down to a very well thought out science. He was a really smart guy. To bad.
P.S. Ferrari=ironic name
Not Ironic. Check in a dictionary.
The first Country to enact anti-doping legislation was France. However, there is a significative difference between the French Law, and the Italian Criminal Law, which is the most advanced in the World.
In Italy, the law n. 376 of 2000 establishes three distinct types of criminal doping offences :
The first two offences concern both athletes and support personnel procuring, administring, consuming or encouraging the use of WADC Prohibited Substances and Methods, with the aim of improving an athlete's competitive performance or to modify the results of an antidoping test.
Imprisonment from three months to three years and a fine from € 2,580 to € 51,645 are the sanctions for these offences.
But the third offence (arguably the most innovative, and unique in the World) aimes to tacke illegal suppliers who trade in WADC Prohibited Substances outside official distribution channels.
Imprisonment from two years to six years and a fine from € 5,164 to € 77,468 are the sanctions for this offence.
In Europe, many Countries have now a criminal law against doping : France (that was the first Country looking at doping as crime out of the sport), Austria, Spain, Cyprus, Denmark, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Luxemburg, Norway, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Serbia and Sweden are, at the moment, the Countries applying similar laws.
Out of Europe, we have China (with a very tough law), Congo, Mexico, New Zealand, Australia, Nicaragua and Tunisia.
However, all the law of these Countries have sanctions about the traffic only, not about "administring, consuming and encouraging the use...".
We have also to note that many Countries speaking about doping, such as Germany, UK, US, Canada, don't have any criminal law regarding this type of offence.
This means that can be better to look at their own situation, before criticizing what happens in the garden of the neighbour.
Could you please back this statement with facts? I find it very offensive
Ah, Renatoland: where East Africans gain no benefit from drugs and Italians are the most pure, as proven by this document! Where Down is Up and Night is Day!
to our American friends:probably you do not know that Italian Police has the rights (after a search warrant) to conduct extensive wiretapping investigations and that all those names are very often doctors or nurses which were the "sources" of doping substances, found out by wiretapping the conversations with Pro cyclists and runners, etc...Due to the strict nature of italian doping law, they are immediately charged in court (and then also disqualified from sports, even if most of them are not actually involved in coaching, etc)...Now... let's take the LA case... Did something happen to LA's sources of dope ? Did somebody investigate how/where LA got his stuff from ? NO... USADA was happy to nab Lance and his teanmates but did not do any deeper investigation..The same goes for other cases..
Renato Canova wrote:
The first Country to enact anti-doping legislation was France. However, there is a significative difference between the French Law, and the Italian Criminal Law, which is the most advanced in the World.
In Italy, the law n. 376 of 2000 establishes three distinct types of criminal doping offences :
The first two offences concern both athletes and support personnel procuring, administring, consuming or encouraging the use of WADC Prohibited Substances and Methods, with the aim of improving an athlete's competitive performance or to modify the results of an antidoping test.
Imprisonment from three months to three years and a fine from € 2,580 to € 51,645 are the sanctions for these offences.
But the third offence (arguably the most innovative, and unique in the World) aimes to tacke illegal suppliers who trade in WADC Prohibited Substances outside official distribution channels.
Imprisonment from two years to six years and a fine from € 5,164 to € 77,468 are the sanctions for this offence.
In Europe, many Countries have now a criminal law against doping : France (that was the first Country looking at doping as crime out of the sport), Austria, Spain, Cyprus, Denmark, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Luxemburg, Norway, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Serbia and Sweden are, at the moment, the Countries applying similar laws.
Out of Europe, we have China (with a very tough law), Congo, Mexico, New Zealand, Australia, Nicaragua and Tunisia.
However, all the law of these Countries have sanctions about the traffic only, not about "administring, consuming and encouraging the use...".
We have also to note that many Countries speaking about doping, such as Germany, UK, US, Canada, don't have any criminal law regarding this type of offence.
This means that can be better to look at their own situation, before criticizing what happens in the garden of the neighbour.
I think we can all agree, that Italy has a lot of problems with dishonest people, based on this list. You cannot argue the analytics of this situation. There are many more from Italy, but they are still in the legal process. WADA only bans people who broke WADA rules. I would say, Italy , get your house in order before you discuss what Canada or the UK does.
italian 2 wrote:
to our American friends:
probably you do not know that Italian Police has the rights (after a search warrant) to conduct extensive wiretapping investigations and that all those names are very often doctors or nurses which were the "sources" of doping substances, found out by wiretapping the conversations with Pro cyclists and runners, etc...
If this is true it would be very interesting to see just how many of those Italian's named fall in to this category. Anyone got the time to research it?
If correct then it looks like the Italian's are now doing the right thing and ahead of every one else in the fight against PEDs.