Shelly Anne Fraser and Usain Bolt went from 11.35 to 10.76/10.03 to 9.69 in ONE YEAR

I often hear Angel Heredia's name associated with Bolt, where's the proof?

great.... wrote:

now please tell me a bout Carmelita Jeter and Justin Gatlin....Say, didn't Jeter go from 11.7 to 10.6 is a year as well??? at something like age 30?? you seem to be the expert on drug use so do continue educating us but this time I want to hear the Gatlin-Jeter improvement. Gatlin goes from being suspended for drug use to running personal bests and some of the fastest times EVER after being out for years??? He´s now running faster ¨clean¨ than when he was doped? How do you explain that Mr. Drug Expert?

Well, yeah. Jeter and SAFP were the reason I had very little interest in watching women's sprints for several years.

How do you prove that ?

Jamaica has 3 international airports, a simple google search can confirm that. But it is irrelevant simply because it is a Commonwealth country you can enter without Visa.

You've probably never set foot in this country.

Of course, you will provide any evidence about this system which can "alert athletes" (which is logistically impossible , as a Westerner wouldn't have to pass through custom).

VCB is 200m sprinter who occasionaly dabbled into the 100m

Of course you left this improvement of the "American Trained" VCB out of your comment :

in 2007 : VCB 200m SB = 22"34 Getting demolished by Allyson Felix

in 2008: VCB 200m SB = 21"74 Demolishing a stunned Allyson Felix

Thank you, Good Bye...

Ask Kobe Bryant ?

Why would he travel to Germany to see this doctor when in he lives in LA ?

The Mecca of anti aging clinic ?

The Dr is famous and treats dozens of Pro athletes. Why would the Germans who claim to be a leading force in Anti doping let him go anywhere near their soccer team ?

Then again I have yet to see any evidence that Muller-Wohlfahrt is linked with a drug ring or something like that.

There is not a single shred of evidence, zero, nada that Bolt ever worked with Angel Heredia except rumours started by one of Heredia's rivals Victor Conte in the press.

In fact, we do have evidence that he worked with American sprinters such as Maurice Greene, as he was able to provide cash receipts and checks (with Greene's signature on it) to the NYT.

Why do we have to rely and rumours and not find such hard evidence (wire transfers, cash receipts, check, etc...) involving Heredia and Bolt. Did he work for free with them ? Heredia was called as a witness for FBI and USADA between 2008 & 2011

For goodness sake, Heredia is a sport coach who works nearly exclusively with American/ Mexican Boxers and who is permanenetly based in the USA.

Do people even try to check their facts when making accusatory comments nowaday ?

Hey!

Who needs facts when you can enjoy one of trackcoaches stories

How old was she? Give us an entire list of athletes and let us see if such performances exist.

apples and oranges wrote:

Jenkins had roughly a 2% increase in performance.

SAFP had roughly a 5% increase in performance after being stuck at 11.5-11.7 for at least several years. Please don't compare a 5k to a 100m

Track coach is Letsrun resident douchebag.

All local Jamaican athletes train within a hour of each other. They are there from September all the way up to the times they leave for meets in Europe.

The owners of this site probably have been there and seen them all. the idea that Jamaicans did some disappearing act is lies spread by LOSERS like this douche Track Coach.

The other crap he wrote is pure fables that have been debunked too many times for me to even bother.

The Matrix wrote:

ok, we have two kinds of people on this thread. The one who know that people from certain country are guilty of using PEDS and one who know that but refuse to see it as truth.

Keep taking the blue pill folks.....

Is that the most intelligent you could come up with, idiot?

Seems like "TrackCoach" is a typical Letsrunner. Lots of rumours, lies and guessing but very little facts.

5. The one Jamaican athlete who did not make a significant improvement in 2008 was Veronica Campbell.

Oh God. Sherone Simpson was #1 in the world in the 100 & 200 in 2006 (which is before 2008 as we are in A.D., not B.C.). Kerron Stewart was #3 in the world in the 100 in 2006. Frater was ranked 14th, 13th, 12th, 12th the previous four years. He zoomed all the way up to...11th. Asafa Powell improved by a massive .02 seconds.

I agree and disagree!

No argument on Bolt's natural ability. The first time I saw Bolt run was at the Penn Relays in 2001 or 2002; his high school ran the 4x1 and 4x4. I don't recall his school making the COA, therefore Bolt went slightly unnoticed that year except by the hardcore track fans. From memory, that was the year everyone was focused on Alan Webb. When Bolt ran, it looked like man against boys, a freak show. I was sitting near his coach, the late Pablo McNeil, who told me that Bolt was only 15 or 16 and that track and field was not his primary sport and that Bolt barely trained. I posted on Dyestat back then, over decade ago that Bolt would one day break the 200 and 400m world records.

I am not surprised by Bolt's success in the 200m. Although, I thought he would be equally successful in the 400m and a very good 100m sprinter as well. I never imagined he would be any more than perhaps a 9.9x type; I was surprised in 2007, when ran 10.01 at a small meet in Europe beating a couple of world class sprinters. This should not have been too surprising because Bolt also ran a 19.75 200m in 2007, which says he had to be a legit 100m sprinter. With that said, the 9.69 he ran in 2008 is a mind boggling improvement within a span of 12-months and then 9.58 the following year.

Prior to 2008, there were logical reasons why Bolt was expected to have limited success in the 100. I want bore you with the role the physics behind long levers, muscle mass and neuromuscular response plays in explosiveness other than to say Bolt had things working against him in ever being able to get his legs moving quick enough to excel at the 100m. A lot of what most people thought to be Bolts limiting factors in 100m are the some ones Alyson Félix has faced in trying to a great 100m sprinter. In spite of Alyson's tremendous top-end speed, which in a mph test was only exceeded by FloJo and Jeter. Yes, Félix once ran for 20m faster than SAFP and even Marion Jones; however in a 100m flat race, she only has a career average of about 11.0. No amount of training is ever going to make Félix's long skinny legs become ballistic enough to be great 100m sprinter. However, a combinations of amphetamines and steroids would transform Félix in FloJo in matter of months. - There are some kinesiology/physiological things that can't be improved on but so much and so fast naturally.

A final note, Bolt is not new to the 100m dash, he has been running the 100 as long as he has been running track which he started at age 12. In fact, Bolt ran a 10.3 100m when he was only 15. Even in the early part of his pro career when he was having success in the 200m he was still running the 100m, he just wasn't running it at any big meets because he was only about a 10.2 sprinters from 2003-2007.

re:"How do you prove that ?"

Look through the 2007 meet results, Powell ran late into the summer, but most of the Jamaicans ended their 2007 season early and did not run indoors in 2008 and begin their season until May. That could be normal for some athletes, but I found it odd that nearly all of the Jamaican athletes appeared to be on the same schedule.

re: "http://jadco.gov.jm/"

That is the Jamaican anti-doping website, which is less than one year old. The fact is, Jamaica has only had a world-class anti-doping program for one year. One of your own executives said that JAAA did not conduct any OCC testing as recently as 2 years ago.

re: "Jamaica has 3 international airports"

Perhaps I am mistaken on this one because in 1978 I did fly into Kingston; however, my subsequent dozen or so flights have all been to Montego Bay. I don't know anything about a 3rd airport. I have been to Jamaica somewhere between 12 - 15 times. I have competed twice in Jamaica, I have been to Champs twice on recruiting visits and I've vacationed there on more occasions than than I can count. I have been to Jamaica for weeks at a time, were I have traveled all over the island even to places were tourists don't normally go, like Spanish Town, Port Antonio and Hellshire Beach.

Re:"VCB is 200m sprinter who occasionaly dabbled into the 100m"

Correction, in 2007, VCB was more of 100m sprinter who dabbled in the 200m or at least was equally a 100/200 sprinter. In 2007 VCB ran more 100s than she did 200s. As a 10.8x 100m sprinter in 2007, it is not too surprising that at some point her 22.34 200m PR was going to drop. Also, VCB didn't have a sudden massive improvement, she started the season off at 22.38 which was slower than her PR, but continued to drop her time through the season.

Re:"Ask Kobe Bryant ?"

I am pretty sure Kobe has use Wohlfahrt because of his Father's association with this doctor from when he was playing basketball in Europe. And, your are correct that Muller-Wohlfahrt is not linked to PEDs and is a respected physician. However, he does comes from a school and an environment that was once the epic-center of doping and people from the Western Hemisphere generally don't travel to Europe for medical treatment.

Re:"There is not a single shred of evidence, zero, nada that Bolt ever worked with Angel Heredia "

It is a fact that Dr. Angel Heredia was making trips to Jamaica in 2007. My information about Dr. Angel Heredia a.k.a. Angel Herndez was working with Bolt comes from the Jamaican media, who were questioning why Bolt was working with someone tied to PEDs. Perhaps Bolt is no longer working with Dr. Heredia, but I am sure Bolt would admit himself that he was working with him at a some point; this is not a secret.

With all of that said, I have no proof that the Jamaicans are doping; however I am good at connecting the dots. Btw, I am a frequent reader of TrackAlerts, The Gleaner and other Jamaican media outlets and Jamaicans are absolutely convinced the FloJo among many other Americans were drug cheats for the same reasons many people question Jamaican athletes. - In this day and age, it is not unwise to be suspicious when something looks like a duck.

Tooshort wrote:

Track coach is Letsrun resident douchebag.

All local Jamaican athletes train within a hour of each other. They are there from September all the way up to the times they leave for meets in Europe.

The owners of this site probably have been there and seen them all. the idea that Jamaicans did some disappearing act is lies spread by LOSERS like this douche Track Coach.

The other crap he wrote is pure fables that have been debunked too many times for me to even bother.

Short of failing a drug test, absolute facts in these matters are often difficult to come by. However, if I see someone with a butt, breasts, dressed in a tight skirt and wearing lipstick, I am inclined to say that is a woman. (Circumstantial Evidence!)

I have often defended athletes on this board who others have called a drug cheat; I have even defended Bolt on a couple of occasions. I am perhaps one of the few people who believe Justin Gatlin is the least likely

dirty athlete competing at the World Championships. I am also one of the few people besides her inner circle who believes FloJo was 'technically' a clean athlete. With that said, courtesy TrackAlerts and the Gleaner, I know that the majority of Jamaicans think Gatlin is still on drugs, Carl Lewis's success was fueled by drugs and are absolutely convinced FloJo was dirty. Why do you find it so offensive for me to be suspicious of a Jamaican athletes when per capita, Jamaica is the dirtiest nation on the planet which produces world class sprinters. Yet, you think Jamaican's are above suspicion and its ok to suspect Americans.

Btw, I am very much aware of where Racers and MVP trains and I have been to Jamaica probably many more times than anyone on this board. And, name calling is a tool of the ignorant and incompetent and builds monuments of nothingness.

TrackCoach wrote:

It is a fact that Dr. Angel Heredia was making trips to Jamaica in 2007. My information about Dr. Angel Heredia a.k.a. Angel Herndez was working with Bolt comes from the Jamaican media, who were questioning why Bolt was working with someone tied to PEDs. Perhaps Bolt is no longer working with Dr. Heredia, but I am sure Bolt would admit himself that he was working with him at a some point; this is not a secret.

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I won't answer to your other points because I think I have already debunked them and your explanations are not convincing.

I will just point out that the fact that you're calling Angel Heredia , "Dr Angel Heredia" shows that you don't know what you're speaking about.

The saddest thing is that you probably believe that the guy is a real "doctor" !

Take this quote from Ricky Simms, Bolt's agent about his supposed links with Heredia:

"I have no idea why Usain's name was brought up. Usain has no connection with any of these people. Nobody from Team Bolt has any connection or knows any of these people."

I know that it might only be PR, and "face-saving" but it shows your assertion ;

"but I am sure Bolt would admit himself that he was working with him at a some point; this is not a secret"

is wrong.

Has Heredia ever worked with Jamaicans ?

Of course, he was a supplier to Trevor Graham & Ray Stewart, two US based coach known to have doped Americans!

During the early 2000s, he was referring to himself as a doctor.

So by your logic, Candace Hill, that 14 year old high schooler has a 10 flat in the 100M and 21:00 in the 200M in her. After all she like Bolt has been running incredible times.

What Bolt did can only be the result of two things:

Drugs or

He has evolved to the next stage.

Trackcoach, i'm not sure, but Jamaicans aren't running indoors so much (unless you're talking about Jamaicans doing NCAA indoors). And this is not only from 2008.

Jamaicans normally have a couple of important outdoor meets in February/March, like the Gibson relays, Queens/Grace Jackson Classic, UWI Invitational, Camperdown classic, etc.

In fact, read this article from 2007:

"Bolt, who later in the season finished second at the IAAF World Cup in Athens in 19.96, has so far had three runs at 400m this year - 45.92 (10 Feb), 45.62 (1 May) and 45.28 PB (5 May) - as well as helping his IAAF HPTC squad colleagues take the Gibson 4x100m relay title in 38.70 (24 Feb)."

http://www.iaaf.org/news/news/bolt-bolts-to-1996-in-trinidad-1

I follow track and field results since the internet era (already in 2004 there were many athletics pages and forums with results and rankings)

And if i recall correctly, not only Bolt, but most of the Jamaicans skipped Indoors, or there weren't competing too much.

I can vouch for these times. I trained with Bolts training partners. Naturally Bolt is a 10.2/10.3, 45.5, 19.9/20.1 sprinter. Back around 2006-2007 track season we were actually laughing at him in a practice because we were shocked he was able to pull a 10.3 hand timed 100 meter in practice. He couldn't run a 100 meters he was too slow to speed up but had great speed endurance he would catch everyone around 150 meters in practice. I am not sure what mix of supplements/drugs they put him on but it has worked with other athletes in my camp. Basically what they need to do was build his speed with massive power. Strong sprint work, crazy weight lifting plus peds. There is a current Caribbean sprinter that was a 11.2/22.7 guy and he was put on the same type of program and now runs 10.0 and 20.1 and I tell you this guy has no talent whatsoever. Heavy lifting plus, peds plus drag racing almost every day of the week. So with Bolts natural talent he is now unstoppable because hes a great responder and has too much unnatural power that he can move quickly now in the short sprints. I think it actually quite impressive and hard to duplicate because a lot of guys need assistance to even run under 10.5 or 21 seconds this is why he is the best in the world.

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SAFP's drastic improvement in 2008 was even more impressive. On May 16th, 2008 she and her MVP club were elated that she set a new 100m PR of 11.28, + 0.6m/s.... Almost exactly 3 months later, on Aug 17th, she ran 10.78, +0.0m/s in the Olympics and had become the fastest woman on the planet.