Round II: New German ARD TV doping report coming out tomorrow - Kenya/Russia

"I have NO faith in Kenyan or Russian drug testing. Both must be dismantled and the work must be contracted out to a 3rd party with no connection to Kenya or Russia"

Who is going to implement that?

Did you see the page with the money going into an account from Nike, and being taken out by Kiplagat and others at AK.

How much graft and corruption is there in the IAAF? ( 58 Million dollars coming in and 2.5 million for drug testing? )

The IAAF can implement it. As you said 58 million coming in. If they are serious about the sport they can spend 10-15million to end or at least help slow down this problem now.

Seb Coe or Bubka will hopefully do something of the sorts right away when they are elected. Although this probably hurts Bubka now...

I do agree this makes the last "investigation" by D Epstein and Daly look like they were pretty much trying to make something out of nothing. We are now comparing rumors of extra inhalers to video recordings of EPO injections...

fred wrote:

"I have NO faith in Kenyan or Russian drug testing. Both must be dismantled and the work must be contracted out to a 3rd party with no connection to Kenya or Russia"

Who is going to implement that?

If shoe companies started contracting random drug testing it would be a good start, with athletes' contracts requiring a certain frequency of testing. Whichever company did it would set a great precedent and it'd definitely be good for PR (especially with the NOP allegations, Lance, etc popping off in recent years).

a novel solution wrote:

If shoe companies started contracting random drug testing it would be a good start, with athletes' contracts requiring a certain frequency of testing. Whichever company did it would set a great precedent and it'd definitely be good for PR (especially with the NOP allegations, Lance, etc popping off in recent years).

Why would shoe companies be interested in this?

Nobody, except clean athletes, loses anything from drug use.

Seppelt wrote:

http://www.ardmediathek.de/tv/...tId=799280

55 minutes but very interesting.

This is going to be HUGE, HUGE, HUGE, the biggest doping scandal in track and IAAF history - for those who have not seen it yet.

It could be as big as Cycling/Lance. It could be as big as FIFA. Likely US investigation into athlete fees sent by Nike, stolen by Athletics Kenya officials, not paid to athletes.

Athletics Kenya is going down.

The IAAF is going down, or going to need massive house cleaning.

Almost all national "-ADA's" are going down.

It looks like local "-ADA's" have been taking pay offs and IAAF certainly has been either looking the other way, or taking pay-offs to make certain tests and blood values go away.

This is 50mins + of solid undercover reporting, pics of doctors in Kenya bringing out EPO and giving shots, HGH, Steroids.

Whoever said this makes the BBC docu look like a bad student film, is spot on.

This reporter took a long time, and did great work, and got great help from anonymous sources leaking inside data and materials to him.

The poster who has been anonymously saying the IAAF is crooked and has been hiding things, evidently is correct, and owed an apology by any doubters.

For those who haven't seen this it is going to blow your mind and break your heart about your sport.

Track and Field needs to cancel the sport for a year and clean house/s.

who cares about drugs? wrote:

a novel solution wrote:

If shoe companies started contracting random drug testing it would be a good start, with athletes' contracts requiring a certain frequency of testing. Whichever company did it would set a great precedent and it'd definitely be good for PR (especially with the NOP allegations, Lance, etc popping off in recent years).

Why would shoe companies be interested in this?

Nobody, except clean athletes, loses anything from drug use.

Nike benefit from ped abuse and surreptitiously condone and encourage it

Coach.. wrote:

who cares about drugs? wrote:

Why would shoe companies be interested in this?

Nobody, except clean athletes, loses anything from drug use.

Nike benefit from ped abuse and surreptitiously condone and encourage it

all shoe companies think the problem is too vast for them to afford to police and that that is what the WADA's etc. are supposed to be doing.

IAAF looks as corrupt, if not more so, than FIFA and Cycling's gov body.

For me this just reiterates that all of us humans have the same basic flaws no matter our upbringing or background.

Also on a side note the documentary suggests that t&f is basically in the same position that cycling was 10-15 years ago as far as estimating the percentage of atheletes doping. So all you letsrunners who bash cyclists like Froome without knowing much about the recent and significant culture changes in cycling towards clean and transparent competition should think twice before condemning someone you don't even personally know.

"For those who haven't seen this it is going to blow your mind and break your heart about your sport."

It's not breaking my heart.

You see the crap with Hightower, and you assume that that's the way it is in every country. It's all corrupt B.S.

Ben Johnson got screwed, but the other sprinters were protected by their ADA's.

How long have all the Russians been doing drugs? 50 years? Who was injecting Eddy in Albuquerque? A Russian doctor.

What has to happen is a testing requirement - either you get tested out of competition or you don't compete. Done. Put the testing requirement on the athlete.

Every country that belongs to the IAAF has to chip in. Hire the bloody Swiss and Japanese to do it.

Not sure how you handle the surprise element of out of competition testing, but there has to be a way - it's not brain surgery.

agip wrote:

What has to happen is a testing requirement - either you get tested out of competition or you don't compete. Done. Put the testing requirement on the athlete.

Every country that belongs to the IAAF has to chip in. Hire the bloody Swiss and Japanese to do it.

Not sure how you handle the surprise element of out of competition testing, but there has to be a way - it's not brain surgery.

You send in the Spanish Inquisition.

long bbc article on what is going on with the suspicious medalists.

note that it isn't clear if the passport if helping - most of the suspicious medalists must be from before 2009, when the passport was implemented.

I'm trying to watch this just now but keep getting what I assume is a copyright message every few minutes where the audio still plays but I don't get the video. Would this be because I'm not using a German ip address?

like old classic troll lpd the vpn is your friend.....

gdayne wrote:

I'm trying to watch this just now but keep getting what I assume is a copyright message every few minutes where the audio still plays but I don't get the video. Would this be because I'm not using a German ip address?

This sometimes even happens for German viewers in case they don't have the license to broadcast certain footage online. Ironic, because in many instances, they "respect" the copyright of the very institution whose reputation this documentary is shredding to pieces.

If you really want to see the footage of some drugged-up runners, you can probably expect a copy of the broadcast version on youtube in a few days...

The German version appears to have all the footage available, the English version still has a copyright thing appearing. I guess I'll just have to wait then.

A third of medals (146, including 55 golds) in endurance events at the Olympics and World Championships between 2001 and 2012 were won by athletes who have recorded suspicious tests.

Mo Farah is NOT in that group.

One interesting comment by Ashenden was that he feels sorry for the clean athletes who had no chance of beating those athletes whose freakish blood values showed clear evidence of doping. It also implies that, if doping is so prevalent, there can be almost no clean winners.

Let's keep in mind that these extreme blood values indicate not just doping, but amateurish doping, without professional medical supervision, as Ashenden also clearly said. As a corollary, those profiles that weren't off the charts are not indicating that an athlete was clean, they leave open the possibility that he or she was doping in a slightly more intelligent way.

So 12 suspicious Kenyan medals 2001-2012, but Bolt and Farah don't have suspicious results, nor Ennis-Hill. They don't name the Ukrainian she lost to but she was busted later, IIRC. The "suspicious" UK gold has to be Ohorougo.

Any other clues we can narrow down to specific athletes? We can assume at this point all Russian medals are dirty (Borza as well...)

The IAAF is the typical cronies network, and I doubt Bubka or especially Coe will change that. They need some sort of Lance-like cataclysm in order to start cleaning house.