Souleiman closes in 40.63

Bramaterra wrote:

Not too shabby for a 3:33 race.

Jim Ryun finished in 39.3 running 3:33 almost 50 years ago, on dirt. Just sayin'.

Never mind other runners since Ryun who have pile-drivered the last 300 in races 3:33 or better in much faster time than Souleiman.

Kiprop closed in a 40.91 in a 3:26.69 race

Wheating was 40.4 or faster at Pan Am just last week. The leader hit 1200m in 3:01:04 and AW got the win in 3:41.41

Not as fast of a 1200m first, but come on now. There are at least for guys in the world right now that can run a 39.0 off of a 2:52 1200m: Kiprop, Soulman, Centro, and Silas. I'd bet my boy Elijah could as well.

When I first read the tread title, my thought was "we are supposed to be impressed by that?", but watching the last 300 of a few 1500s from the last few years, 40.63 is a bit more impressive of a close than I first figured ... while still not being ground-breaking.

3:33 is slow for the likes of Souleiman, so as has already been pointed out, I'd imagine there are quite a few guys out there who could close the same or faster off of 2:52 at 1200m (including Souleiman himself, if he was really challenged).

Kiplagat ran a 39.23 to edge out Kiprop in Doha in 2012 ... in a winning time of 3:29.63.

In Paris just this year Kiplagat had a 39.44 close to win in 3:30.13.

For Souleiman, I remembered him closing crazy-fast at the Continental Cup last year (albeit in a jog-fest). Looking back, he did 36.8 there (3:48.92) to nip Kiprop.

Paris 2013, Souleiman won in 3:32.55, with maybe a 41.5 last 300 (hard to be exact, as the rabbit had a gap, so official split is misleading), so this could indicate he has improved quite a bit to this year. That race though, he was 1:51 (54/57) at 800 ... clearly tying up off too fast early pace. Today's race, going about 55/58/59, was better set up to kick in.

Also of interest ... apparently Souleiman plans to double in Beijing ... according to the commentator.

juzzzt a sec wrote:

Bramaterra wrote:

Not too shabby for a 3:33 race.

Jim Ryun finished in 39.3 running 3:33 almost 50 years ago, on dirt. Just sayin'.

50 years ago it was okay to snort a line of speed right before a race. Just sayin'.

juzzzt a sec wrote:

Bramaterra wrote:

Not too shabby for a 3:33 race.

Jim Ryun finished in 39.3 running 3:33 almost 50 years ago, on dirt. Just sayin'.

Never mind other runners since Ryun who have pile-drivered the last 300 in races 3:33 or better in much faster time than Souleiman.

According to the IAAF's world record book Ryun's last 300m was 39.6, last 400 53.3. But T&FN had his last 440 as 53.9, which is 53.6 for 400. All very contradictory. Shame the whole race isn't online.

He'll have to do a lot better than 40.xx:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry8GWJMpIVQ

B-Sample wrote:

He'll have to do a lot better than 40.xx:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry8GWJMpIVQ

Makhloufi's close there was 39.36 (3:34.08) ... easing up at the very end.

I had almost forgotten how disappointing that race was. Kenya goes in with Kiprop, 3:28 that year, injured, off the back the entire race; Kiplagat, 3:29, bombs last 100m; Chepseba, 3:29 twice that year, bombs even worse.

Still feel bad for Gebremedhin, had ran 3:31 that year already, looks in good contention for at least 2nd, until Iguider battles by, then Manzano and Centro come from nowhere the last 50m.

Ingebrigtsen really was finishing like a train too, nipped Geb as well.

Geb ran 3:31xx in 2010, 11 and 12, but since Wote broke through in 2013 with a 3:32 (then 3:29 last year and 3:30 this year), he has topped out at 3:32 in 2013 and '14; only 3:35 so far this year.

Ethiopia can only keep one top 1500m guy at a time it seems. First Deresse Mekonnen, then Gebremedhin, now Wote (each one has gotten a bit faster at least).

London seemed to be the beginning of the end for Chepseba. Did run a 3:32 post Olympics, but each year since has gotten slower and slower (2013-2015: 3:33, 3:34, 3:36 ... however did have a 3:35 indoors this year).

Moscow 2013 Kiprop closed in 39.87 (3:36.28)

Worth noting as well that when Souleiman doubled in Moscow he didn't even make the final in the 1500 (after bronze in 800). Although that year he "only" had a 3:32.5 going into World's (then 3:31.6 season's best later on). But he did have a then-second-best-in-the-world 1:43.62 going in.

This year he was 1:42.97 and 3:30.17 already (and 13:17, pretty nice range, haha).

yes he did. that's about 54 second 400m pace. who f*cking cares. 1 second slower than the average of el g's mile record.if you divide rudisha's world record 800m, it averages to 37.8 or something.i ran 40 second 300m repeats in high school track practiceWHY IS THIS IMPRESSIVE?

Bramaterra wrote:

Not too shabby for a 3:33 race.

juzzzt a sec wrote:

Bramaterra wrote:

Not too shabby for a 3:33 race.

Jim Ryun finished in 39.3 running 3:33 almost 50 years ago, on dirt. Just sayin'.

Never mind other runners since Ryun who have pile-drivered the last 300 in races 3:33 or better in much faster time than Souleiman.

36.4 !! (for a 3:38)

did i miss something? wrote:

yes he did. that's about 54 second 400m pace. who f*cking cares. 1 second slower than the average of el g's mile record.

Math?