When I saw it was a dentist, I was thinking it was kip. Even if he didn't know they were right outside a national park and the animal was lured out to be killed, there's no justification for killing a magnificent endangered animal like that for a trophy.
I'm not a hunter and I don't even eat that much meat, to be honest, but let me present an alternate look at this situation.
He is a big game hunter... We think that is weird, but it is legal in many parts of the globe (including where he was hunting). He paid something like $50,000 for the chance to kill a lion with a compound bow, and even got the appropriate permits from the government.
With trophy hunting, there is a weird ritual where people will pay large sums of money to a conservation fund for the opportunity to kill the animal for which the money will be donated. It makes no sense to me, but it is a thing. It recently happened with a Rhino and we even had a thread about it on here. This guy has spent upwards of half-a-million dollars on these types of hunts.
I am not sure if this was one such hunt, but it may have been.
I honestly believe that this guy got taken for a ride by his hunting guides. I truly do. I bet these guides were chumming the waters for the lion thinking no one would find out, and now they are busted and want to throw the dumb American under the bus.
I am not going to defend trophy hunting because I think it is sad, but I don't like the lynch mob mentality of ruining this guy's life when he very well could have gotten fleeced by the guides.
It is important to point out that he was busted for illegally tracking a black bear a few years ago, so that might be a sign that he is not a white knight, but it could also be that the guy followed a bear into the wrong area during the hunt...
Anyway, just presenting another view of the situation. He could be a terrible person who did this on purpose, but online lynch mobbing makes me feel sick.
Big deal - some old lion got killed. It's survival of the fittest all you crybaby pansies. You act like some other lion wouldn't have killed this lion in a similarly brutal fashion. Hypocrites.
Another Viewer wrote:
I'm not a hunter and I don't even eat that much meat, to be honest, but let me present an alternate look at this situation.
He is a big game hunter... We think that is weird, but it is legal in many parts of the globe (including where he was hunting). He paid something like $50,000 for the chance to kill a lion with a compound bow, and even got the appropriate permits from the government.
With trophy hunting, there is a weird ritual where people will pay large sums of money to a conservation fund for the opportunity to kill the animal for which the money will be donated. It makes no sense to me, but it is a thing. It recently happened with a Rhino and we even had a thread about it on here. This guy has spent upwards of half-a-million dollars on these types of hunts.
I am not sure if this was one such hunt, but it may have been.
I honestly believe that this guy got taken for a ride by his hunting guides. I truly do. I bet these guides were chumming the waters for the lion thinking no one would find out, and now they are busted and want to throw the dumb American under the bus.
I am not going to defend trophy hunting because I think it is sad, but I don't like the lynch mob mentality of ruining this guy's life when he very well could have gotten fleeced by the guides.
It is important to point out that he was busted for illegally tracking a black bear a few years ago, so that might be a sign that he is not a white knight, but it could also be that the guy followed a bear into the wrong area during the hunt...
Anyway, just presenting another view of the situation. He could be a terrible person who did this on purpose, but online lynch mobbing makes me feel sick.
Never mind. Please move aside. You're getting in the way of a good bloodbath.
Chuck D. wrote:
Big deal - some old lion got killed. It's survival of the fittest all you crybaby pansies. You act like some other lion wouldn't have killed this lion in a similarly brutal fashion. Hypocrites.
Please look up the definition of 'hypocrite'.
In the future try to avoid using words that you don't understand.
"The dominant male lion takes care of the family unit / pride. Once killed, roaming males or subalphas in the pride fight for dominance and the winner asserts control of the pride. Once in control, the dominant male will seek and kill all cubs not his to bring the females into estrus and thus have an opportunity to mate and reproduce with the females in his dominion."
Really interesting information. I appreciate you taking the time to write that.Still think it's not even in the same realm as murdering children and selling their body parts. That's just me though.
Serious question - do you people get this bent out of shape when you hear of a person killing another human being?
I get that it's kind a crummy thing to do to kill that lion, but the moral outrage in response mystifies me.
GOML wrote:
Serious question - do you people get this bent out of shape when you hear of a person killing another human being?
I get that it's kind a crummy thing to do to kill that lion, but the moral outrage in response mystifies me.
There are 7 billion humans on Earth, we're in no danger of going extinct. 100 years ago there were 200,000 lions but now there are only 30,000, thanks to our species. Does the outrage make sense now?
Also, it is absolutely mind boggling that someone actually took joy in ending this lion's life. What must be wrong with a person that they would spend $55,000+ for the "pleasure" of killing something?
What I think I understand you to say (and correct me if I'm wrong) is that the life of a lion is more valuable than the life of a human being.
So, would you sacrifice your own life to save the life of a lion?
Would you sacrifice a stranger's life?
XY wrote:
As a punishment, how about he spend 1 week in the lions habitat with no water, food and covered in impala blood.
That's fair
Agreed. Hope he goes in a similar painful way. A- hole!
Big picture bro wrote:
GOML wrote:Serious question - do you people get this bent out of shape when you hear of a person killing another human being?
I get that it's kind a crummy thing to do to kill that lion, but the moral outrage in response mystifies me.
There are 7 billion humans on Earth, we're in no danger of going extinct. 100 years ago there were 200,000 lions but now there are only 30,000, thanks to our species. Does the outrage make sense now?
Also, it is absolutely mind boggling that someone actually took joy in ending this lion's life. What must be wrong with a person that they would spend $55,000+ for the "pleasure" of killing something?
Plus, it was no ordinary lion. He was actually known throughout the world & was a popular tourist attraction. A sort of icon. That's why he was kept in a protected park.
"In tourism alone he can bring in $500,000 and $600,000" during his lifetime, Rodrigues said.
https://news.vice.com/article/an-iconic-lion-named-cecil-was-skinned-and-decapitated-by-hunters-in-zimbabweI think most online activists here are missing a few points.
I think the guy is a scumbag who has issues, but I am not sure he deserves all of the hate that he is getting.
The hunt was legal. He paid the money to a legit company and government that allowed him to go on the hunt. Some of the money is supposed to go back to conservation efforts for lions. This is Zimbabwe, so we have no idea if it actually goes to anything but someone's pocket, but that is not the dentist's fault.
As someone mentioned above, this is a common thing with big game hunters. They pay a ton of money to kill an animal they want to protect. So in reality he may be doing more than all of us in terms of maintaining the species. Kind of like Ducks Unlimited: guys who raise money for duck habitats and then go kill ducks... but they actually net well for the ducks...
Also, he was not "kept" in a protected park. He was a wild lion that happened to be known to roam the protected park. He was likely lured out by the poacher guides, but we do not know if that was known by the dentist.
So why are we not going after the poacher guides? No one cares about them when it was their greedy asses who are at fault.
Anyway, this is not my hill to die on because I am not a hunter, but i do think there is a lot of crazy hypocrisy here. The guy may not have even broke any laws. He likely thought he was doing something good for the wildlife.
...and why is the internet going after this guy when we have murderers every single day across each major city in the United States?
Please don't attack me as I am not in favor of hunting. I am guessing this guy is a total jerk, but does he deserve getting his life ruined when he may have acted in good faith and likely did nothing illegal?
If you're going to go the endangered species route, why not attack the lawmakers? They sold him a permit to kill a lion.
Personally, I think it should be illegal to kill the lion. It is sick and it is demented too hunt these kinds of animals for sport, so I want to focus on ways to help. I am not interested in a witch hunt on some random dentist. i think the online hunt for this guy is pretty dark. The people calling for his death are straight-up evil. Do these comments not constitute a threat? I would be worried if I were him, although he is probably in his house with rifles and compound bows at the ready.
GOML wrote:
What I think I understand you to say (and correct me if I'm wrong) is that the life of a lion is more valuable than the life of a human being.
So, would you sacrifice your own life to save the life of a lion?
Would you sacrifice a stranger's life?
What I think I understand you to say is that you really enjoy saying monumentally stupid things.
Would you mind trying to do a bit more shutting TFU in the future?
Understanderer wrote:
GOML wrote:What I think I understand you to say (and correct me if I'm wrong) is that the life of a lion is more valuable than the life of a human being.
So, would you sacrifice your own life to save the life of a lion?
Would you sacrifice a stranger's life?
What I think I understand you to say is that you really enjoy saying monumentally stupid things.
Would you mind trying to do a bit more shutting TFU in the future?
Hey, can y'all please stop trolling for a few minutes and actually engage in discussion about this? I find it really interesting because I think the online backlash has no real interest in lions at all. I think it has more to do with the fun of ruining some guy's life. I think this is quite common.
I wish we could have a thread or two where people can actually present their opinions without insulting each other. I want to know why someone can justify threatening this guy's life for something he thought was okay and legal... and good for wildlife to boot.
I realize that you might just be trolling to pass the time, so if that is the case then I guess you'll just keep ranting and attacking.
-1000 Top ten worse troll attemtps
Chuck D. wrote:
Big deal - some old lion got killed. It's survival of the fittest all you crybaby pansies. You act like some other lion wouldn't have killed this lion in a similarly brutal fashion. Hypocrites.
Kind of Curious wrote:.
I want to know why someone can justify threatening this guy's life for something he thought was okay and legal... and good for wildlife to boot.
People have already explained this. He tortured the lion for hours then he killed it just for its head. How does thinking that is okay and legal change anything?
Only if it's a white person killing a black person. Other than that... no.
exthrower wrote:
When a hunter contracts for a hunt like this, everything is arranged by the outfitter....I don't blame the hunter at all....
The hunter doing it for s trophy. Reading how lion suffered for so long is inhumane. Hunters suck.
We are at least going the right way. We went from the WW1 and WW2 where millions of humans died to today, where we get REALLY REALLY upset when ONE lion dies. Good job humanity.
Sally V wrote:
exthrower wrote:When a hunter contracts for a hunt like this, everything is arranged by the outfitter....I don't blame the hunter at all....
The hunter doing it for s trophy. Reading how lion suffered for so long is inhumane. Hunters suck.
Sorry that the hunter killed a collared old lion. Not very sporting.
Not overly sorry for Cecil the lion who spent his life stalking and preying on the week old baby zebras, gazelles, and warthogs. Not overly sorry for Cecil the lion who killed the cubs of his pride who were not his offspring. Not overly sorry for Cecil the lion who fed on his prey while they were still alive and ate them in full view of their mothers and family. Not overly sorry for Cecil the lion who got to live a full life in the wild instead of being cornered in a lockdown stall for 4 months to create, or being confined similarly for 3 years to create Kobi beef. Eels are skinned alive. Shellfish, boiled alive. Foie Gras comes from shoving a steel tube down a duck's throat and force-feeding it grain to make the liver fatty. Pig's throats are slit, and then they are bled to death. What about fish? They get dragged out of the water to suffocate to death.
It is a cruel world. Kudos to you vegans who live your words out. For the rest of us, well R.I.P. Cecil, you had a better life than most.
If you want to honor Cecil then take 1 day of your life and eat nothing that you do not kill yourself. Or eat nothing killed. It is pretty hard to do.