Ben True Doesn't Take Ibuprofen, Takes Vitamin D, Probiotics, and Melatnonin When He Can't Sleep, and Gatorade "Twice a Year"

logician wrote:

pop_pop! wrote:

Yeah, no. That's a variation on the "everyone was doing it." excuse.

Nope. Just the facts.

Nope, you are wrong. Vitamins are dietary supplements, not drugs.

google drug vs supplement wrote:

logician wrote:

Nope. Just the facts.

Nope, you are wrong. Vitamins are dietary supplements, not drugs.

A distinction without a difference, that is to say, they're performance enhancing.

jewbacca wrote:

Amerikano wrote:

You know, all you have to do is go here to find if the drug is banned or not...

http://list.wada-ama.org/

there really is no need to create your own list, then convince others that it is actually a "PED". Its not.

This is exactly my point. The brojos starting this thread is implying True is somehow a more pure runner than Rupp. The irony is they included melatonin, which has performance enhancing characteristics.

The WADA list is the standard. Not Ben True.

True is a more pure runner. It doesn't take a genius to realize this.

Amerikano wrote:

You know, all you have to do is go here to find if the drug is banned or not...

http://list.wada-ama.org/

there really is no need to create your own list, then convince others that it is actually a "PED". Its not.

No one is microdosing on melatonin dude.

Good point dude. Is Thyroid Hormone on that list? Nope.

So I guess no one is "micro-dosing" with thyroid hormone either (according to your logic, which is: if it's not a PED, no one is micro-dosing with it). But according to Kara, Alberto recommended she take virtually the same medication she was already prescribed (she was taking T4, he told her to take T3, T4 is converted to T3 in the body, therefore most endocrinologists consider taking T3 unnecessary). Pretty awful, huh? Sounds like the experiments the Nazi's did at Auschwitz, huh?

pop_pop! wrote:

The cytomel assists with dramatically improving W/kg. Way beyond eating fruits and veggies.

No it doesn't. Read my list of side effects. Just because you become lighter doesn't mean your strength stays the same. Some side effect of too much thyroid hormone are: muscle weakness, rapid, irregular heart beat. These things will not allow one to "dramatically improving W/kg" even if they lose weight.

There are certainly better ways to improve W/kg than taking thyroid hormone.

uishjdkjskjd wrote:

Skiing was for the rich kids where/when I grew up, so I've been skeptical about the idea that True was a "blue collar runner" because he was a part time skier and part time runner.

Nordic skiing you idiot. He wasn't flying off to the family condo in Aspen or heli-skiing on B.C. If you grew up in northern New England or the northern Midwest you would know that cross country isn't some rich man's sport.

Where I went to college in Maine our running trails became groomed ski trails in winter, and all you needed was $200 worth of skis and boots and you could ski all you want for free. I didn't ski too much though, the training doesn't really translate to running that well.

For some reason I was thinking the "D" in "PED" meant device so obviously no, a comfy mattress is different. Early in my college career I had trouble with stomach cramps.I started taking Alka-Seltzer before races and I think it helped with the cramps. So Alka-Seltzer for me was a PED.

Lots of things can enhance performance. Some are drugs like Alka-Seltzer or melatonin. Some, like chocolate milk or comfy mattresses, aren't. I agree that the standard should be, and is, the WADA list so I would not support banning someone using Cytomel for weight loss even though it is specifically not to be used for that purpose.

But would I want one of my kids running for a coach who was pushing them to take a prescription medicine not because they needed that medicine to correct a medical problem but to get some side benefit that the drug is specifically not to be used for? No. Would I want to make it known that their coach is doing that sort of thing with medicines? Yes.

I absolutely hate this sort of discussion but it is compelling. I only got onto this thread because trying to equate Ben True going to a CVS for melatonin when he can't sleep to Rupp being given testosterone medication or the NOP people finding one specific doctor who will diagnose them with a condition that no other doctor will and then give them drugs that they couldn't get any other way is a massive reach.