New Allegations- "Salazar had bag of needles"

No matter what anybody says along the lines of "it's perfectly normal to have allergy serum in your fridge and to ask somebody to ship it to you in the mail", it still seems mighty weird that it had to be shipped at all. What, did they forget it (and all their other stuff)? Isn't Salazar supposed to be the master of attention to detail? Why did they clear out in such a hurry? And why would Rupp leave a vial in a rental car? If you had all these delicate medications, wouldn't you kind of keep everything together in some special "allergy drugs and paraphernalia" bag, or something like that?

Would xenon's allergist all her coach to concoct her vials from materials the coach bought? Would xenon allow her coach to inject her with no questions asked?

*allow her coach*

Remember usada and wada have their own policies and procedures to ban athletes for PED use. They do not have to follow state or federal laws to ban an athlete or coach.

Look 4 the Label wrote:

llort_vbo wrote:

Basically, yes.

Then the vials could be used to hide anything. Thanks.

Also true.

Salazar with his supposedly unlimited resources and Nike backing wouldn't have been able to get more EPO? Why not just let the vials be thrown away? The effort to get them back, to me, might suggest more that they were allergy medicine specially formulated for Rupp that couldn't be picked up at the doctor's office the next day versus a drug that Salazar with his unlimited resources should have been able to get more of, or already have more on hand in Portland.

Flaming Turd wrote:

No matter what anybody says along the lines of "it's perfectly normal to have allergy serum in your fridge and to ask somebody to ship it to you in the mail", it still seems mighty weird that it had to be shipped at all. What, did they forget it (and all their other stuff)? Isn't Salazar supposed to be the master of attention to detail? Why did they clear out in such a hurry? And why would Rupp leave a vial in a rental car? If you had all these delicate medications, wouldn't you kind of keep everything together in some special "allergy drugs and paraphernalia" bag, or something like that?

I agree, especially since it all seemed so unplanned, especially for a control freak who sweats every detail.. Didn't he call the minions and ask them to go pack after they left? That seems like pretty risky behavior.

Does Rupp have a reputation for being so spoiled, spacey or disorganized that he couldn't take care of packing on time?

Mr. No-Snitch wrote:

ILL Eagle wrote:

Client confidentiality doesn't protect evildoers from statements people who worked for them can make. Only attorneys trying to protect guilty clients can claim client confidentiality.

Not so sure about that. He could be in trouble with his regulatory body. Client information needs to be kept confidential. No crime was commited. Hopefully he consulted with his association and regulatory body before spilling the beans.

What "association" or "regulatory body"? How old are you? 12?

yes. thank you. a tad of intelligence on this thread.

xenonscreams wrote:

I know you guys hate my opinions and think that I can't ever have them because apparently having opinions means that I think I'm right all the time (which isn't true), so if you want me to get my expert opinion from my allergist, M.D., Ph.D., who did his thesis on allergies and asthma in elite athletes, I can send this over to him and get back to you and stop having opinions of my own

Expert links always help, doesn't matter who you are. If it's an opinion say so, if you're presenting it as fact provide links.

xenonscreams wrote:

They're not meds. They're not prescription drugs.

This is really just a red herring, isn't it? You're quibbling here over semantics, because really, it doesn't matter if Rupp treats his allergies with Claritin-D, his own special cocktail or eye of newt. The lack of standard labeling seems suspicious to me, even if it doesn't "prove" anything.

It us now almost Wednesday of the week after Mr. Salazar promised he would have something to say about all of this "by the end of the week." This by itself tends to raise a few questions.

The storry on the allergy drugs pretty much explains it. All lets runs allegations are absolutely pathetically false. The brothers are taking their website down., and they go too and the rest of you losers.

Ah yes, suddenly now everyone on LRC is an immunologist with a specialty in allergies in elite athletes. Wonderful, I'm so much better informed now.

But hey! Good news NOP fanboys and paid shills! That vial didn't necessarily have to be EPO...

(it could have been hGH)

Mr. No-Snitch wrote:

ILL Eagle wrote:

Client confidentiality doesn't protect evildoers from statements people who worked for them can make. Only attorneys trying to protect guilty clients can claim client confidentiality.

Not so sure about that. He could be in trouble with his regulatory body. Client information needs to be kept confidential. No crime was commited. Hopefully he consulted with his association and regulatory body before spilling the beans.

He's a massage therapist FFS, who's reporting on what he found in a room plus other stuff, nothing to do with " client confidentiality" or what he's treating a client for etc.

Also, it's not the end of his career treating elite athletes if they're athletes who have nothing to hide and if they are bent all they have to do is keep their mouths shut while on the table. But, as I said, he's just a massage therapist FFS.

I saw a severed human head in Alberto's fridge. Swear to god. Wish I took pictures of it. It was a few years ago...didn't want to to say anything til now. Swear to god I saw it though.

adsfasdsfasfdsfsdf wrote:

Ah yes, suddenly now everyone on LRC is an immunologist with a specialty in allergies in elite athletes. Wonderful, I'm so much better informed now.

LINKS?

There is no point in attacking the messenger (even if he was Sports Journalist of the year according to another poster). Let's look at the message.

1) John Stiner said he was told to keep cold asthma medication and fed ex it to Alberto.

2) There are emails from Steve Magness telling him to fed ex asthma medication

The simplest explanation instead of not believing that NOP wanted asthma medication FedExed because it is in a "british tabloid" it to believe they wanted it it Fed Exed.

If you disprove Stiner, Magness still has emails asking to FedEx asthma medication that he says had no labels.

They now need to explain why they have unmarked in 1 case, labeled "Asthma 1" and "asthma 2" in another. A possible explanation is that Galen has some special asthma medication that is not a normal drug with traditional markings. That is a perfectly reasonable explanation, but when you throw this stuff in with all the other allegations there is a lot to answer for.

One of the reasons he came to Oregon was so he could get a response from Alberto. He went to Alberto's house and also contacted Nike so he can then say he tried to contact both of them.

He does travel a lot so that is a simple explanation.

John Stiner has repeated the same story since 2008. I had not heard of Magness' story until today but he has emails to prove it. I tend to believe they are not both lying especially with the emails. Stiner obviously does not have emails. But a special allergy medicine (not labellled properly) is an innocent explanation for this.

Did the pill bottle that Kara Goucher has actually have anything still in it? What good is an EMPTY pill bottle? If it isn't empty why don't they just send whatever is in it to a lab to get tested? That whole thing sounds shady.

John Stiner's ex-wife, (who worked on Salazar's athletes at the same time) said that he is full of shit. She said that she never saw anything other than Androgel.

The link is interesting but the story that person told is different from the one we hear today in a key respect - the story said Kara no longer wanted to continue doping whereas here and now Kara is saying she never doped but left because of The thyroid issue.That is a very big difference in terms of scope. Plus nothing has been reported on MO Farah today..

Andy bell wrote:

Someone else said there would be more coming with his history from the 80's and 90's. It's funny those who call this BS and say it's absurd.

Again... This happened over two years ago. Seems pretty odd someone could just guess that and weave in all these players if it wasn't justified.

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=5002059&page=2