"How do I know you ran 4:20 in high school? Because everyone ran 4:20 in high school."
This is why sub 4:20 California guys are having to walk on at mid-majors and sub 4:12 California guys are having to walk on at Power Five schools. Meanwhile 5:04 women (the 100th time) are getting full rides thrown at them by small mid-majors/DII's and sub 5 women (57 of them in California) are getting $$$ love by bigger mid majors and some P5's....
How's that make you feel boys?
Pretty sure that quote is supposed to say 4:30, not 4:20.
You want to fight a decathlete? :) A decathlete who is defending his wife and the future mother of his children.
Good luck.
Take a close look at your team. One of you was a wrestler, but he weighs 85 lbs. You have one giant, but he hides his beer gut inside a turtle shell. The rest of you are....well...The decathlete can literally jump over you. In fact, he is so good, the best superhumans in the world ask him how to be better than other superhumans.
Stop using California as your basis for everything, in a place with a lot more wind and less moderate temps, Illinois has a higher ratio of population to sub-4:20 guys....
Illinois = 12.9 million people, 40 sub 4:20 guys
California = 38.9 million people, 100 sub 4:20 guys
3 times the population but only 2.5 times the sub 4:20 guys.
Went through the DyeStat list and counted 32 for New Jersey, out of 8.9 million people, a better ratio than either Illinois or California. Of course, the numbers that matter are high school students, and I don't know where to find those.
Still, ~550 sub 4:20 high schoolers this year, according to DyeStat, is pretty great. Also unprecedented numbers of sub-9 3200 runners, and at the top end, the first year with multiple sub-4 milers (as many as there were between Liquori in 1967 and Maton in 2015 -- just Webb and Verzbicas).
Still, we'll see how the numbers shake out after the season is over -- in particular, California's state meet -- and this is no slight to Illinois or California, which are both producing exceptional runners in large numbers.
College Coach wrote:
"How do I know you ran 4:20 in high school? Because everyone ran 4:20 in high school."
This is why sub 4:20 California guys are having to walk on at mid-majors and sub 4:12 California guys are having to walk on at Power Five schools. Meanwhile 5:04 women (the 100th time) are getting full rides thrown at them by small mid-majors/DII's and sub 5 women (57 of them in California) are getting $$$ love by bigger mid majors and some P5's....
How's that make you feel boys?
No, pretty sure that is because women have 50% more scholarships (T&F) than men. That's potential scholarships, with some schools having women's teams and not men's it may be even higher.
Actually, 36 high schoolers in New Jersey have broken 4:20 this year, as of the state meet which was held on June 3.
the reviver wrote:
Went through the DyeStat list and counted 32 for New Jersey, out of 8.9 million people, a better ratio than either Illinois or California. Of course, the numbers that matter are high school students, and I don't know where to find those.
Still, ~550 sub 4:20 high schoolers this year, according to DyeStat, is pretty great. Also unprecedented numbers of sub-9 3200 runners, and at the top end, the first year with multiple sub-4 milers (as many as there were between Liquori in 1967 and Maton in 2015 -- just Webb and Verzbicas).
Over 550 under 4:20 so far in the U.S. this year is very impressive. Why the large numbers versus 20 years ago? Better coaching? Higher expectation due to internet exposure? Better equipment and track facilities? Improved air quality due to pollution controls, higher mileage cars and cleaner gasoline? All of the above?
the reviver wrote:
Still, we'll see how the numbers shake out after the season is over -- in particular, California's state meet -- and this is no slight to Illinois or California, which are both producing exceptional runners in large numbers.
Virtually all of the 4:2x guys have been eliminated from the CIF state series at this point- there are only 4 remaining.
http://www.cifstate.org/sports/track_and_field/handbook/2015_TF_Performance_List.pdf(Knevelbaard and Russo have run faster than their seeds)
Illinois might get a few more sub 4:20s at the Midwest Distance Classic next weekend.
Regardless, Washington State is probably still #1 per capita, at least for relatively large states- Dyestat lists 40 sub 4:20s from a population of 7.06 million.
That gives Washington 5.6 sub 4:20s per million people.
NJ- 4.04/million
IL- 3.1/million
CA- 2.57/million
Some smaller states doing very well per capita-
AK- 6.8/million
UT-5.8/million
Bundang Social Club wrote:
the reviver wrote:Still, we'll see how the numbers shake out after the season is over -- in particular, California's state meet -- and this is no slight to Illinois or California, which are both producing exceptional runners in large numbers.
Virtually all of the 4:2x guys have been eliminated from the CIF state series at this point- there are only 4 remaining.
http://www.cifstate.org/sports/track_and_field/handbook/2015_TF_Performance_List.pdf(Knevelbaard and Russo have run faster than their seeds)
Illinois might get a few more sub 4:20s at the Midwest Distance Classic next weekend.
Regardless, Washington State is probably still #1 per capita, at least for relatively large states- Dyestat lists 40 sub 4:20s from a population of 7.06 million.
That gives Washington 5.6 sub 4:20s per million people.
NJ- 4.04/million
IL- 3.1/million
CA- 2.57/million
Some smaller states doing very well per capita-
AK- 6.8/million
UT-5.8/million
Utah's figure is especially impressive with the altitude.
Glad I'm out of high school wrote:
Over 550 under 4:20 so far in the U.S. this year is very impressive. Why the large numbers versus 20 years ago? Better coaching? Higher expectation due to internet exposure? Better equipment and track facilities? Improved air quality due to pollution controls, higher mileage cars and cleaner gasoline? All of the above?
Plus, much larger high school aged population.
J.R. wrote:
Bundang Social Club wrote:Virtually all of the 4:2x guys have been eliminated from the CIF state series at this point- there are only 4 remaining.
http://www.cifstate.org/sports/track_and_field/handbook/2015_TF_Performance_List.pdf(Knevelbaard and Russo have run faster than their seeds)
Illinois might get a few more sub 4:20s at the Midwest Distance Classic next weekend.
Regardless, Washington State is probably still #1 per capita, at least for relatively large states- Dyestat lists 40 sub 4:20s from a population of 7.06 million.
That gives Washington 5.6 sub 4:20s per million people.
NJ- 4.04/million
IL- 3.1/million
CA- 2.57/million
Some smaller states doing very well per capita-
AK- 6.8/million
UT-5.8/million
Utah's figure is especially impressive with the altitude.
For those curious where these numbers are coming from, to get Utah's 5.8 sub 4:20s per million people you take the 17 guys to break 4:20 based on this list:
http://parser.dyestat.com/dselite.jsp?event=1600&state=UT&seasontype=OUT&seasonyear=2015and divide it by utah's 2014 population of 2.93 million.
As J.R. says this is impressive because 15 of 17 were run in Provo at 4627' and all 17 were run at altitude (2 were run at the Davis Invite). If you use the NCAA altitude conversions then a sub 4:25.21 in Provo is equivalent to a sub 4:20 at sea level. There are actually 32 times under 4:25 by Utah HSers, and 31 of those were run at altitude. This works out to 10.6 (altitude converted) sub 4:20s per million in Utah, blowing CA's, NJ's, and IL's doors off.
Ignoring altitude adjustment and just focusing on the highest number of sub 4:20s 1600s (or sub 4:02s for Oregon / sub 4:21 miles for NY) per the number of HS aged males, the numbers are:
Alaska - 16.45 per 100,000
Washington - 14.81
Utah - 12.29
Oregon - 11.93
New Jersey - 8.92
Illinois - 7.50
California - 5.50
Texas - 2.75
New York - 2.46
I've only looked at these states as they jumped out as the most interesting running-wise.
Is this translating to the college level?
What are the numbers on sub 4:00 1500m runners that were from American high schools?
We like to point at HS stats but we're losing these kids in the transition to college due to injury, burnout, disinterest (from the coach and/or athlete), or some other reason. The goal should be to at least retain these kids as runners, even if recreationally, into adulthood. This leads to future generation of studs and general interest in track.
Give me these stats:
# Sub 4:00 1500m runners from American HS in 2015
# 4:20-4:30 guys who didn't quit running after HS (or college) in the last 5 years
bolder1 wrote:
http://www.prepcaltrack.com/statewide-top-lists/
HIIT
Are you referring to High Intensity Interval Training?