Sandy Oval wrote:
Tony Sandoval. Cal women scored only 3 points at Pac-12.
And men were 8th. Colorado's 4x4 actually beat them.
Not to mention his last 3 Pac12 xc performances for men have been
9/9
9/9
7/9
And has had 5 FL recruits in the last 5 years.
Track is NOT football or basketball. All I have to do is look at my check every month. While my football and basketball coach make $1 million a year and football sucks I make $60k. I get no support, have to do everything myself, and don't have five asst AD's at my beck and call.
UCLA - Mike has only been there about three years. They haven't won anything since early 2000's. It will take him time to clean up the mess.
S. Carolina - Curtis has forgotten more about track than you will ever know. But I agree, maybe its time for him to retire. He used to have dynamic assistant coaches, and he does not any longer.
TCU - Daryl is making the transition to the Big 12 and it is not easy. I also have noticed a drop off in talent, but Daryl will turn it around.
GeoTech - When was the last time they were actually good?
Oregon State - They are still fighting the demons of the past. If they can bring back the men's program I believe they can turn it around.
BC - They have no freaking scholarships. How are they supposed to compete at a school that costs about $65k?
you have to be kidding me wrote:
Track is NOT football or basketball. All I have to do is look at my check every month. While my football and basketball coach make $1 million a year and football sucks I make $60k. I get no support, have to do everything myself, and don't have five asst AD's at my beck and call.
UCLA - Mike has only been there about three years. They haven't won anything since early 2000's. It will take him time to clean up the mess.
S. Carolina - Curtis has forgotten more about track than you will ever know. But I agree, maybe its time for him to retire. He used to have dynamic assistant coaches, and he does not any longer.
TCU - Daryl is making the transition to the Big 12 and it is not easy. I also have noticed a drop off in talent, but Daryl will turn it around.
GeoTech - When was the last time they were actually good?
Oregon State - They are still fighting the demons of the past. If they can bring back the men's program I believe they can turn it around.
BC - They have no freaking scholarships. How are they supposed to compete at a school that costs about $65k?
Listen arse-yapper, whats the excuses for? Every example, every coach you gave excuses.
If these programs lack resources then guess what? The are stepping stone programs to other things. So these coaches either need to poop or get off the pot. They are clogging up the coaching positions. There's hungry coaches who want opportunities and these content coaches hold positions they shouldn't hold.
I don't care if you make 60k a yr. Either win or get out, or move on to a place you can win. If you are winning, then congratulations.
"You have to be kidding me" whoever you are , you are a disgrace
What huh what about it wrote:
you have to be kidding me wrote:Track is NOT football or basketball. All I have to do is look at my check every month. While my football and basketball coach make $1 million a year and football sucks I make $60k. I get no support, have to do everything myself, and don't have five asst AD's at my beck and call.
UCLA - Mike has only been there about three years. They haven't won anything since early 2000's. It will take him time to clean up the mess.
S. Carolina - Curtis has forgotten more about track than you will ever know. But I agree, maybe its time for him to retire. He used to have dynamic assistant coaches, and he does not any longer.
TCU - Daryl is making the transition to the Big 12 and it is not easy. I also have noticed a drop off in talent, but Daryl will turn it around.
GeoTech - When was the last time they were actually good?
Oregon State - They are still fighting the demons of the past. If they can bring back the men's program I believe they can turn it around.
BC - They have no freaking scholarships. How are they supposed to compete at a school that costs about $65k?
Listen arse-yapper, whats the excuses for? Every example, every coach you gave excuses.
If these programs lack resources then guess what? The are stepping stone programs to other things. So these coaches either need to poop or get off the pot. They are clogging up the coaching positions. There's hungry coaches who want opportunities and these content coaches hold positions they shouldn't hold.
I don't care if you make 60k a yr. Either win or get out, or move on to a place you can win. If you are winning, then congratulations.
So, you don't want to be evaluated on your record? you just want a pay check, and no accountability?
Not to mention many of those you mentioned make six figure base pay. But that's hardly the point. You're supposed to coach to win championships. Just as easily as they can pay you to make excuses at 60,000 they can pay someone else to win for 60,000.
You have no idea how good you have it.
"you have to be kidding me" you are the one way off base. Get your facts straight.
Maynard just finished year 7 at UCLA. We are not talking about a school that has no history here. This is one of the top 5 programs ever in the sport. This is like when Bama was down and the then they hired Saban and Kentucky down in basketball and hired Calipari. Coaching hires matter at every level of every sport with support or without. Maynard made some bad assistant hires but who does that fall on? Him!
Yes AD's don't support programs like they should which is the whole point of this thread. But that only means the playing field for most schools in most leagues is pretty even so it comes down to coaching.
Its obvious Curtis Fry ONCE was a good coach but he is not getting it done like he used to so why must athletes suffer because of it?
I don't know about TCU, have some decent kids, just not like they used to but they are in Texas and have had success in past but not so much lately.
Georgia Tech used to be really good with sprinters and hurdlers and yes the old head coach got tossed in jail for crimes he committed at his second job on city council but Grover was the guy who did much of the coaching of all the Olympians from McKay to Angelo Taylor to Derrick Adkins.
Oregon State fighting what demons? The AD that 30 years ago shut down the program? The only coach the Beavers have had has had 10 years to do something, anything and its clearly not gaining momentum. How is adding men going to make it better?
Boston College is in the heart of a major area for talent and despite lack of resources they have enough to be at least respectable. Did you see who they flew to ACC's to race last weekend? Some 11.5 dude in the 100 and I saw the race, he didn't get hurt, he was going for all he could go.
The deal is program's do need to be held accountable and I agree with the poster saying USTFCCCA should provide evaluations and help in process of how to hire coaches as well as how to evaluate. Don't you just pile on trying to provide more excuses for these lousy coaches.
lol past deamons from 1980s.....
Yes they should just SLOW DOWN over there at osu and not rush the process.... i mean it's only thirty yr
Beth Alford for that whole scholarship "eviction" she pulled. What a c/nt
The bigger question is why are there so many bad athletic directors? They're not only allowed to let track and field slide, but many are allowed to let most of their athletic dept. be bad for years without any repercussions. One western university (see Idaho, University of), has had an A.D. there for 11 years (see Spear, Rob), who has overseen several 1- and 2-win football seasons, horrific basketball years in men's and women's, and now a once-decent track and field program stumble to last in the Big Sky Conference, which they just rejoined.
And he keeps his job.
This A.D. isn't unusual, but another example of many mid-major A.D.'s out there, who can survive losing seasons, NCAA or APR violations, and never lose their jobs.
Not excusing sub-par/mediocre/bad track and field coaches, who hang on too long. But the bigger problem is the athletic director industry is full of really bad apples.
Here here for Beth Alford. Soooo happy she left for Tennessee. Turned Happy Valley very happy with her departure. Now I will say her actions at Tennessee while reprehensible are actually more in line with what football and basketball coaches have been doing the past decade plus. Cutting kids too soon to make room for new potentially better recruits.
PSU parent wrote:
Here here for Beth Alford.
FYI that's actually "hear, hear"--you know, as in "listen to what's being said."
Im a DA fan so here it is
7th in the ncaa indoor champs tied with lsu, 60m champ, scored in 200, scored in long jump scored in 4x4, outdoor scoring threats top 3 in 100, top 3, in 4x100, potenial 200,4x4 and two long jumpers. Whats the issue. Private school 55,000 not gone not gone score much at conf so you go for nationals
Tcu talent lets so far this year
9.97
10.07
10.38
10.32
20.39
20.60
20.62
46.1
25'10
25'7
39.1
3:05
National level just the way it is. Cant speak on women, they have to figure that part out but when you come top 10 top 20 someone is doing something right.
Gotta agree on TCU. Maybe not the huge success lately that they used to have but still pretty strong.
However I have to throw heat on Texas men not to fire anyone yet but to put them on alert on the men's side. On the track for a program in a major high school track state this program is not producing. Women are strong but can't say the same for the men. Women do make men look worse but really why are the Longhorn men so wimpy?
2 chains wrote:
Tcu talent lets so far this year
9.97
10.07
10.38
10.32
20.39
20.60
20.62
46.1
25'10
25'7
39.1
3:05
National level just the way it is. Cant speak on women, they have to figure that part out but when you come top 10 top 20 someone is doing something right.
How have they dont in TEAM scores this yr? conference? other meets?
* "done''
Cal is for sure lacking production level of a school of its stature. Too many top recruits attend and don't develop. Tony is a nice guy but too many on his staff have failed to improve. There is no excuse for a school like Cal to fail to produce strong teams year in, year out.
Staying in the Pac 12 Oregon State is overdue for a change. Cal situation is worse due to its history of success but not fair to trash Cal without including Oregon State which barely outscored Cal at Pac12 meet 6-3!