Some people would actually take Michael Jordan over Lebron James?

ballhog wrote:

kneedeep wrote:

It's like he got tired of carrying the load and passed off the ball in frustration. Not the trait of the best, especially in a championship series.

You are imposing this idea on him. Maybe he felt like the other players had better scoring opportunities than him in those moments. Now that is actually a trait of the best (team player) - don't be too proud or selfish to pass the ball.

No, he was clearly frustrated with the quality of play from his team and with the ownership. There were moments where he disengaged and clearly pouted his annoyance with his team. That is why he jumped ship to join an organization which in his mind was committed to winning a championship. Charles Barkley did the same thing. He had issues with the Sun's organization and eventually went to Houston, hoping to get his ring. Kareem left small town Milwaukee for Showtime as did Shaquille leaving Orlando.

It's funny how this thread died quickly and isn't buzzing amidst the excitement of the finals. If anyone watched game 1 to tonight I think you would clearly take Jordan over Lebron. No sense of urgency from Lebron, he doesn't have the will to make it happen. I'll say it again, when it's all said and done Jordan will still be undoubtedly the GOAT. Your king isn't taking home any ring this year.

You must not have watched the game. He was scoring at will. His defense was also phenomenal. JR Smith and Shumpert had bad games

MJ4eva!

Holbythebear wrote:

You must not have watched the game. He was scoring at will. His defense was also phenomenal. JR Smith and Shumpert had bad games

Ummm... 18 for 38 is not exactly scoring at will. Shooting at will perhaps. But not scoring at will.

2 of 8 from 3 pt range

6 of 10 at the line

Not even a single steal. Zero blocked shots. Phenomenal defense? Ummm...

He played pretty well. He scored a lot because he shot a lot. He did not have much of an impact on the defensive end. He did not take over the game when he needed to. And if he makes just one more free throw (6 for 10 -- come on!) the game never goes to overtime and the Cavs are in control.

Sorry dude, but you've got blinders on if you think he played great tonight.

When things are not going his way in a big game he retreats like he's trying to disassociate himself from the team. He needs to be able to get his team to win. Whatever that means, scoring more, leadership, passing, motivating... Jordan would take big games into his hands and make it happen. I once saw a great interview with Jordan and Steve Kerr. Jordan had told him before the big play he was going to pass him the ball and that his shot was going to go in. Steve said once he heard that he knew 100% he would make the shot. That's the magic I'm talking about. Lebron isn't cut out of that cloth my friends.

Get Real Man wrote:

Holbythebear wrote:

You must not have watched the game. He was scoring at will. His defense was also phenomenal. JR Smith and Shumpert had bad games

Ummm... 18 for 38 is not exactly scoring at will. Shooting at will perhaps. But not scoring at will.

2 of 8 from 3 pt range

6 of 10 at the line

Not even a single steal. Zero blocked shots. Phenomenal defense? Ummm...

He played pretty well. He scored a lot because he shot a lot. He did not have much of an impact on the defensive end. He did not take over the game when he needed to. And if he makes just one more free throw (6 for 10 -- come on!) the game never goes to overtime and the Cavs are in control.

Sorry dude, but you've got blinders on if you think he played great tonight.

After the game last night I was spewing some hyberbole. 48% from the field is OK but he did throw up some 3's in OT when the game was over. He didn't have anything in OT, which is a knock on him.

With that being said, if him or Shumpert make the shot at the end of regulation, everyone would be on his nuts today. Also, the Mozgov travel call i regulation was BS.

MJ w/o Pippen ***NEVER*** won a playoff ***series in 3 tries*** 2-9 playoffs w/o Pippen.

MJ had a 55-win team around him.

Heat lottery w/o LeBron. Sub-.500 before Bosh went out. Even in adding Whiteside.

Heat were outscored with LeBron off the court in the 2 ring years.

Lebron and Jordan’s impacts can be traced trough win/loss records before and after leaving their teams.

2010 Cavaliers with Lebron 61-21 (.744)

2011 Cavaliers without Lebron 19-63 (.232)

2014 Heat with Lebron 54-28 (.659)

2015 Heat without Lebron 37-45 (.451)

1993 Bulls with Jordan 57-25 (.695)

1994 Bulls without Jordan 55-27 (.671)

James’ teammates saw a 35.15% increase in win shares per 48 minutes when playing on Lebron’s team as opposed to off it.

Jordan’s teammates saw only a 16.93% increase in win shares per 48 minutes when playing on Michael’s team as opposed to off it.

http://bballfanalytics.com/2015/06/02/james-over-jordan/

LeBronOverMJ wrote:

MJ w/o Pippen ***NEVER*** won a playoff ***series in 3 tries*** 2-9 playoffs w/o Pippen.

MJ had a 55-win team around him.

Heat lottery w/o LeBron. Sub-.500 before Bosh went out. Even in adding Whiteside.

Heat were outscored with LeBron off the court in the 2 ring years.

Lebron and Jordan’s impacts can be traced trough win/loss records before and after leaving their teams.

2010 Cavaliers with Lebron 61-21 (.744)

2011 Cavaliers without Lebron 19-63 (.232)

2014 Heat with Lebron 54-28 (.659)

2015 Heat without Lebron 37-45 (.451)

1993 Bulls with Jordan 57-25 (.695)

1994 Bulls without Jordan 55-27 (.671)

James’ teammates saw a 35.15% increase in win shares per 48 minutes when playing on Lebron’s team as opposed to off it.

Jordan’s teammates saw only a 16.93% increase in win shares per 48 minutes when playing on Michael’s team as opposed to off it.

http://bballfanalytics.com/2015/06/02/james-over-jordan/

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MJ w/o Pippen ***NEVER*** won a playoff ***series in 3 tries*** 2-9 playoffs w/o Pippen.

LeBronOverMJ wrote:

MJ w/o Pippen ***NEVER*** won a playoff ***series in 3 tries*** 2-9 playoffs w/o Pippen.

MJ had a 55-win team around him.

Heat lottery w/o LeBron. Sub-.500 before Bosh went out. Even in adding Whiteside.

Heat were outscored with LeBron off the court in the 2 ring years.

Lebron and Jordan’s impacts can be traced trough win/loss records before and after leaving their teams.

2010 Cavaliers with Lebron 61-21 (.744)

2011 Cavaliers without Lebron 19-63 (.232)

2014 Heat with Lebron 54-28 (.659)

2015 Heat without Lebron 37-45 (.451)

1993 Bulls with Jordan 57-25 (.695)

1994 Bulls without Jordan 55-27 (.671)

James’ teammates saw a 35.15% increase in win shares per 48 minutes when playing on Lebron’s team as opposed to off it.

Jordan’s teammates saw only a 16.93% increase in win shares per 48 minutes when playing on Michael’s team as opposed to off it.

http://bballfanalytics.com/2015/06/02/james-over-jordan/

Heat lottery w/o LeBron. Sub-.500 before Bosh went out. Even in adding Whiteside.

Heat were outscored with LeBron off the court in the 2 ring years.

MJ NEVER won a playoff SERIES in 3 tried w/o Pippen. 55-win team around him.

We get it, you're butt sore about the whole thing. You're resorting to comparing things other than what we're discussing here. I can easily flip this argument and say that Jordan had such a tremendous impact on his team that he made them that much better without him. Stick to the Lebron vs Jordan accomplishments boss. If you want to talk about team impact I'm going to rule you in that argument.

The stage is now set for Lebron to establish himself without question as the greatest.....If he pulls this series out.

Is he going to dress up as a woman so we can't tell its him when he removes the cameras?

Heat lottery w/o LeBron. Sub-.500 before Bosh went out. Even in adding Whiteside.

Heat were outscored with LeBron off the court in the 2 ring years.

MJ NEVER won a playoff SERIES in 3 tried w/o Pippen. 55-win team around him.

southern man3 wrote:

The stage is now set for Lebron to establish himself without question as the greatest.....If he pulls this series out.

Hmm...many thought Love's injury spelled the end of the Cavs title aspirations. Irving's injury seemed to extinguish any remaining hope of winning the series. Now...who knows? Very impressive.

Wow tied up game 2 for OT. Your king definitely does not have control of this game. Where's the clutch shot? My pregnant wife could have made that lay up. Not even close to MJ sorry. This is what counts right here and he's not getting it done.

LeBronOverMJ wrote:

Heat lottery w/o LeBron. Sub-.500 before Bosh went out. Even in adding Whiteside.

Heat were outscored with LeBron off the court in the 2 ring years.

MJ NEVER won a playoff SERIES in 3 tried w/o Pippen. 55-win team around him.

NopeTtyHarder wrote:

Wow tied up game 2 for OT. Your king definitely does not have control of this game. Where's the clutch shot? My pregnant wife could have made that lay up. Not even close to MJ sorry. This is what counts right here and he's not getting it done.

MJ wouldn't have even made the playoffs with the supporting cast James has on this Cavs team. Heck, take away Phil Jackson alone, & MJ would have looking at a team with a .510 regular season record.

NopeTtyHarder wrote:

Wow tied up game 2 for OT. Your king definitely does not have control of this game. Where's the clutch shot? My pregnant wife could have made that lay up. Not even close to MJ sorry. This is what counts right here and he's not getting it done.

LeBronOverMJ wrote:

Heat lottery w/o LeBron. Sub-.500 before Bosh went out. Even in adding Whiteside.

Heat were outscored with LeBron off the court in the 2 ring years.

MJ NEVER won a playoff SERIES in 3 tried w/o Pippen. 55-win team around him.

You were saying something about not getting it done. Talking about Steph "MVP" Curry?

Curry played poorly at the end, LJ is really lucky because not only was he not dominant he was extremely sloppy. He survives game 2. I repeat, not even close to MJ material

NopeTtyHarder wrote:

Wow tied up game 2 for OT. Your king definitely does not have control of this game. Where's the clutch shot? My pregnant wife could have made that lay up. Not even close to MJ sorry. This is what counts right here and he's not getting it done.

LeBronOverMJ wrote:

Heat lottery w/o LeBron. Sub-.500 before Bosh went out. Even in adding Whiteside.

Heat were outscored with LeBron off the court in the 2 ring years.

MJ NEVER won a playoff SERIES in 3 tried w/o Pippen. 55-win team around him.