Why Stanford recruits all these top girls then they don't run anymore?

Coach NOT School wrote:

Get out of here! It is NOT bc of Stanford. It IS because of Milt! He sucks, and so does Jody Stewart, and he ran half the team out when he first got there. You can add so many other names to that list and sprinters took a hit too. The two biggest that come to mind are:

Steven Solomon: Made the Olympic FINAL in the 400 BEFORE going to Stanford. He's barely competed since bc of injuries and hasn't run near his PR.

Katie Nelms: All-American Hurdler before new coaches then was ruined and then quit before her senior year.

They don't know how to coach and burn the kids out physically or emotionally and they move on. At least 25 percent of their quality kids now will either get worse, perpetually hurt, or quit. Awful coach who doesn't deserve to represent The Farm.

But didn't Milt do well with the Georgetown women's team?

But didn't Milt do well with the Georgetown women's team?

Even he'd tell you they overachieved in winning that NCAA XC title. They didn't win the Big East that year but ran the perfect race at Nationals.

Coach NOT School wrote:

Get out of here! It is NOT bc of Stanford. It IS because of Milt! He sucks, and so does Jody Stewart, and he ran half the team out when he first got there. You can add so many other names to that list and sprinters took a hit too. The two biggest that come to mind are:

Steven Solomon: Made the Olympic FINAL in the 400 BEFORE going to Stanford. He's barely competed since bc of injuries and hasn't run near his PR.

Katie Nelms: All-American Hurdler before new coaches then was ruined and then quit before her senior year.

They don't know how to coach and burn the kids out physically or emotionally and they move on. At least 25 percent of their quality kids now will either get worse, perpetually hurt, or quit. Awful coach who doesn't deserve to represent The Farm.

Isn't the outcome at every school?

I am a Stanford jumps alum and I can say the sprints and middle distance needed some spring cleaning. The sprints and middle distance squad was AWFUL! Our one 400m dude had a gut and titties. Three of the sprint girls were jump offs by default. Katie was like 225 when Coach Stewart got there, lookin like a big a** Koala tryn to hurdle... i would have cut her too. She was also in the jump off crew; real talk. Kori gave her that work and she broke. We called Steven "Charmin", dude is soft! He said John Wilks Booth sniped him at Pac-12s last year (Berry got in that a** period), but he's always trickin at the biggest parties tho, checkem' out on facebook. And Amy...the whole team watched her get broke off at NCAAs by Clauds! Coach Milt and Coach Stewart did what was needed. I support those dudes 100%! Jumpsssss Squadddd!

And this should answer any questions about why they left. As stated before, it ain't Stanford...

Yes, each graduating class of HS phenoms will have plenty of failures, dropouts, injured, etc. However, I would say the PAC-12 has a suprisingly high rate of issues, especially with distance runners. Women at Stanford, UW; Men at Cal, UCLA, UW.

I have an athlete running for Stanford - male. He is vastly improved since going there and very happy with his coach and teammates. I am very impressed at how the men are running, this season especially.

I don't think you can say Georgetown "overachieved" as a criticism of Milt. Overachieving is a good thing. Underachieving is a bad thing. I am very surprised with the situation in regards to Stanford's women. Milt was much much liked by the women at Georgetown, I asked parents if they were happy with their decision to send their daughters there; they all said yes.

My gut is Milt is not doing a god job recruiting at Stanford. I think had red flags all around coming out of high school. Chapus and Weissenbach had been trained like Olympians since they were 15. It was a good bet they had a shorter shelf life than most. That being said, I'm not sure how excited I am to send a female to Stanford in the next couple years, and I have a couple that want to go. I would send a guy there in a second.

I know some schools where the coach does not necessarily do anything to breed a negative atmosphere on a team, but they cannot stop it either. I wonder if Milt just needs to clean house and start over with a fresh batch of recruits and do a better job of keeping a positive vibe. He had this vibe at Georgetown. He should be able to replicate it and hope he does. I would love a couple of my female runners to have the experience the guy I sent there had.

aaron krohn wrote:

Sorry, but HS phenoms who sign with Stanford, then basically disappear, is news!

A girl runs the All-Time 2nd fastest 10K ever (for High Schoolers) and the 3rd fastest 5K normally have tons of expectations thrown at them.

That's the price of success at an early age.

So to be asked to NOT mention Stanford or their track team's female roster is really a stupid request, in the face of it.

Why not just answer our questions about these "disappearances"!

Oh, and BTW, today is Cayla Hatton's 21st birthday!

Why would a non relative mid 60's old man care about Cayla Hatton's birthday? One of your twitter or facebook friends ya creep?

Chapus and Weissenbach were not Milt's recruits, and neither was Cayla Hatton. They were 2012 high school grads so this was the recruiting class that awaited him when he took the job in August of 2012.

There were no red flags here- one of the best recruiting classes ever. And all of these girls went to top-notch elite high schools so the issue isn't balancing athletics with academic intensity. When you have 3 all-Americans coming from schools like Harvard-Westlake and Andover and they all quit the team then the red-flag is with the program and not with the recruits.

You are right about the timeline on those three. Knowing the HW program though I still think the smart money was on them having limited shelf life. Hatton similar but I don't have personal knowledge of her situation, just second hand stuff. I also believe you are right that it is the program. I don't think Milt is responsible for any part of that except not getting the reins on an unhealthy dynamic within the team. I hope he can change that. The dynamic was great at Gtown and it's great with the guys at Stanford.

Hope you're all keeping up with the Pac 12 results from day 1. Looks like the Cardinal women are having a great showing across the board... love a team that lets their competing do the talking.

Wow. Has there ever been a decent jumper on the Stanford squad? And yet here a "Stanford jumps alum" (whose language suggests that he couldn't have gotten into a community college, much less Stanford, without an athletics scholarship) has the nerve to criticize Steven Solomon, who ran in Olympic finals, and Amy Weissenbach, who might have made the US Olympic team had she not gotten tripped up in that mess on the final turn of the 800.

I'd love to hear how any recent "Stanford jumps alum" has accomplished more than either Solomon or Weissenbach.

"Charmin," by the way, had to have surgery on his hamstring. Berry cannot beat a fully fit Solomon. As for Weissenbach, she holds the national high school record, and it will be a real loss if she doesn't regain her mojo and return to the sport someday.

Preach:

You are a fool. You really have no idea what goes on behind the scenes.

Yes...... all 1st team All-Americans left because they were soft. If you can survive Coach Flo workouts, you are not soft.

Let's just say new coaching methods did not transition well with Flo's successful methods.

caesarsghost wrote:

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"Charmin," by the way, had to have surgery on his hamstring. Berry cannot beat a fully fit Solomon. As for Weissenbach, she holds the national high school record, and it will be a real loss if she doesn't regain her mojo and return to the sport someday.

Can you remind us of all the times Solomon beat Berry?

Can you remind us of ANY time Solomon beat Berry?

Didn't think so

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Palo altius wrote:

If you get into stanny you're smart AND athletic...

Not universally true.

Case in point: me. White; non-legacy; the worst (non-crippled) "athlete" I ever knew; nothing besides grades and SATs (okay, a few random ECs, but no APs).

Saunders decimated Weissenbach. Weissenbach= Coward. Solomon has becum the JOKE of the party. Its unanimous.

Reviving this year-old thread in hopes of obtaining perspectives of others who are closer to the program than I.

Since spring 2015 there have been only a couple of defections from the xc/t&f teams and those were non-elite athletes.

Cami Chapus was back on the team this year, didn't run (anyone know why?) but still has eligibility next year.

All the past-injured distance types like Cuffe, Cranny & Rosa twins are back racing -- at various degrees of success given their conditioning -- but, back racing.

Jody Stewart replaced by Gabe Sanders as sprint coach . . . based on this winter & spring's results, everyone seems to be setting prs . . . and men's 4x400 broke a 40-yr-old school record . . . the most unexpected Stanford t&f result in many years.

Team sending over 40 athletes to West Preliminary this weekend . . . most in several years.

Liz (Malloy) DeBole, in her 2nd year as women's distance coach, appears to be getting the most out of her gals.

And, Milt can recruit . . . granted, the Stanford name recruits itself . . . but this fall's incoming class of mid-d/distance types including Aragon/O'Keefe/Walker/Donoghu/Debalsi & Cortes/Ratcliffe equals any class Vin ever brought in years ago.

Again, with the rosters finally "stabalizing" after a year's lapse, would like to read the perspective of others on Stanford's xc/t&f programs as Milt completes his 4th school year at the helm.

did chris derrick run under milt?he was very good

Coach NOT School wrote:

Get out of here! It is NOT bc of Stanford. It IS because of Milt! He sucks, and so does Jody Stewart, and he ran half the team out when he first got there. You can add so many other names to that list and sprinters took a hit too. The two biggest that come to mind are:

Steven Solomon: Made the Olympic FINAL in the 400 BEFORE going to Stanford. He's barely competed since bc of injuries and hasn't run near his PR.

Katie Nelms: All-American Hurdler before new coaches then was ruined and then quit before her senior year.

They don't know how to coach and burn the kids out physically or emotionally and they move on. At least 25 percent of their quality kids now will either get worse, perpetually hurt, or quit. Awful coach who doesn't deserve to represent The Farm.