Jo Pavey slams the Nike Oregon Project for thyroid Use

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USADA fan

5 years ago 04/23/2015 7:47pm CDT

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Good for her. Here is her tweet:

https://twitter.com/jopavey/status/582489895127646208

"I'm concerned by the number of athletes reportedly taking thyroid medication. Some might be legitimate but I find the situation worrying."

Article here:

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/athletics/32120936

What's commendable is she's a rare Nike athlete that is willing to slam something related to Nike while still under Nike contract. Americans like Kara and Nick are quite vocal now but noticeably silent when on the Nike payroll.
fred

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5 years ago 04/23/2015 8:04pm CDT
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https://twitter.com/jason_aw/status/580841103185842177
gotcha

5 years ago 04/23/2015 8:33pm CDT
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AAHAHAHAHAHA PWND OP.
High Profile

5 years ago 04/23/2015 8:44pm CDT
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Looks like she's got some fairly high profile support on her Twitter link, one in eye for those who come on here and reckon it's only the LRMB trolls who have a concern about thyroid medication and other grey area suspect practices.
Gameroid

5 years ago 04/23/2015 8:48pm CDT
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"The issue will be raised at the next World Anti-Doping Agency meeting."

Sounds interesting.

Another interesting aspect to the article is that it doesn't appear that Pavey raised this based just on the familiar NOP allegations - it looks like thyroid use might be widespread throughout the elite track world. To me, that lends more weight to the attacks against the NOP - i.e., if a diverse array of elite athletes are taking thyroxine, it makes it ever more clear that NOP's focus on thyroid issues is not just some random occurrence based on legitimate medical needs.
Gray Zoned

5 years ago 04/23/2015 8:57pm CDT
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Add to the NOPiness, the "it didn't work" (wink! wink!) claims about l-carnitine. How many "things" NOP tried? How many didn't work? How many did work, and remain top secret?

Duckeye

5 years ago 04/23/2015 11:08pm CDT
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High Profile wrote:

Looks like she's got some fairly high profile support on her Twitter link, one in eye for those who come on here and reckon it's only the LRMB trolls who have a concern about thyroid medication and other grey area suspect practices.

Mr 'A Duck' wouldn't be one of those getting it in the eye would he?
USADA fan

5 years ago 04/24/2015 6:29am CDT
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fred wrote:

https://twitter.com/jason_aw/status/580841103185842177

Tweet of the year if true. So Nike has dropped Pavey and signed Gatlin? Joke.

So I take back about what I said about Pavey being a rare athlete willing to slam Nike while on the payroll but great tweet.
Huhh?

5 years ago 04/24/2015 6:36am CDT
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She isn't slamming Nike-anything? Lots of athletes take Thyroid Hormones, unfortunately; she's not singling out NOP.
a;jljkdfs;ladfkasjk

5 years ago 04/24/2015 7:21am CDT
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Didn't rojo mention that Ryan Hall was on them (thyroid meds)
Old news

5 years ago 04/24/2015 8:11am CDT
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I've been saying this for a while. It's not like the info wasn't out there. I even posted a link to this article that is two years old...
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887323550604578412913149043072

This is the new EPO
Another misleading headline

5 years ago 04/24/2015 8:20am CDT
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She doesn't even mention the NOP. I thought the bbc (or some other media outlet) looked at this a year or two ago and found that only one NOP athlete was using thyroid med. Call me apologist, NOP fan or Nike whatever - the typical drivel - but it's getting tiring hearing these athletes make generalizations about one another on social media. Grammar school all over again.

I love how athletes like Pavey and Willis are so quick to accuse others all the while they are doing seemingly impossible things themselves. I guess only they are special gifts from God.

waxerizer

5 years ago 04/24/2015 8:33am CDT
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In what sense is Jo Pavey is doing something impossible? Running great times? Nope. She won the European 10K in 32 minutes 22, against a poor field by international standards, and it was a triumph of experience and tactics, not speed and strength.
Randy Oldman

5 years ago 04/24/2015 8:47am CDT
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Ryan Hall, Galen Rupp, Amy Yoder Begley, Bob Kennedy and Patrick Smyth have used.

Anthony Famiglietti used it for 2 months.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887323550604578412913149043072
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5 years ago 04/24/2015 9:49am CDT
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waxerizer wrote:

In what sense is Jo Pavey is doing something impossible? Running great times? Nope. She won the European 10K in 32 minutes 22, against a poor field by international standards, and it was a triumph of experience and tactics, not speed and strength.

If you were busting your azz at 40 years old and trying to make a living from running, which would seem impossible, you would probably be pissed that your country and company cut your funding.
elmore345

5 years ago 04/24/2015 10:08am CDT
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She does not mention the NOP once so this thread is pointless.
rojo

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5 years ago 04/24/2015 10:14am CDT
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elmore345 wrote:

She does not mention the NOP once so this thread is pointless.

I certainly wouldn't say this thread is useless. Given their assocation with Dr. Brown, I think many fans of the sport think NOP when they hear the word thyroid.

Without a Wall St Journal article hyping their association with thyroid meds, most people wouldn't even know about the issue.
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5 years ago 04/24/2015 10:26am CDT
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rojo wrote:

elmore345 wrote:

She does not mention the NOP once so this thread is pointless.

I certainly wouldn't say this thread is useless. Given their assocation with Dr. Brown, I think many fans of the sport think NOP when they hear the word thyroid.

Without a Wall St Journal article hyping their association with thyroid meds, most people wouldn't even know about the issue.

People still don't know about it.

The common misconceptions are that it is prescribed to fight over-training. That's not true; while some symptoms of over training mirror symptoms in over training, fixing thyroid isn't going to fix fatigue.

More, people think that there is a performance enhancing effect: while not directly studied, clinical hyperthyroidism (which would be the effect of a regular person supplementing with extra thyroid) shows that the stimulant effect counters recovery: higher heart rate, blood pressure, changes in anxiety and ability to sleep/rest. If is not catabolic, something that would produce extra energy.

The closest categorization as a PED would be as the cousin of a masking agent: it works to correct imbalances caused by other hormone supplementation, like HGH and EPO. That's the conclusion to draw.

If the drug, by itself, was as powerful as people though it was, it would be banned. By itself, it is not a performance enhancer. Think about it like break fluid: it doesn't make your car go faster, but you certainly need it if you want to drive for a while. Dopers don't take thyroid because of a performance enhancing effect (there is none) they do it to sustain the other pieces of their doping program.
HRE

5 years ago 04/24/2015 10:38am CDT
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Does anyone know if Dr. Brown ever finds athletes who AREN'T suffering from hypothyroidism? It seems to me that if what he's doing is legitimate medicine he must occasionally find other causes for athletes feeling fatigued. If EVERY athlete he sees comes away with thyroid medication it seems a bit shadier.
wasn't it stated

5 years ago 04/24/2015 11:14am CDT
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Didn't Salazar state in an interview last year that Galen et al were no longer taking thyroid medication? I do know he said there were no TUES for his group.

I'm all for exposing cheating etc. but would prefer to actually rely on facts rather than bias, innuendo etc..