laying the smackdown wrote:
Even if Kenenisa achieves the same pb's as Haile in the half-marathon and marathon (or wr's like Haile, for that matter), Haile still did something that Kenenisa will almost certainly never be able to do: MEDAL IN 6 CONSECUTIVE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS. Bekele medaled in 4 straight, competed in 5 straight, but broke the streak in 2013 for sure. Bekele would have to become a finger of God and compete into his 40's now in order to re-create Geb's streak (although I wouldn't put it past Bekele, lol).
For that matter, who's to say that Kenenisa in his prime, if challenged properly, wouldn't have unleashed an even greater kick than he did for many of his races? Let's select Bekele's 2004 Olympic race as an example. The next best guy, Sileshi Sihine, was more than 4 seconds behind. 4 seconds!!! Bekele ran 53.02 for the last lap in that race WITHOUT being pushed AT ALL by the competition, faster than Farah's 53.48 while winning the Olympic 10,000m in 2012. It's also very significant that, in the SLOW Olympic 5,000m race that followed, Farah ran his balls off holding off 5 guys for gold, and ran 52.94 in the last lap...barely better than Kenenisa did with no competition in a race twice the distance.
Farah is NOT the 'goat.' He is NOT in the discussion for 'goat.' GOAT CANDIDACY AT THIS POINT IS FOR KENENISA, HAILE, AND OTHERS, not Mo.
I'll close with memories of the 2008 Olympic 5,000m final. Let's begin with the fact that Kenenisa ran sub-13 to win it. 12:57.82 to be precise, and he didn't need a freaking pace-setter to do it. He DOMINATED the last 5 laps by front-running, turning in a 4:56.97 final 2000m, and going un-challenged (again) in the final lap (the next fastest guy, Eliud Kipchoge, was 4.98 seconds behind). In the final 1600m Kenenisa turned in very nearly a 4-minute mile, running one of those laps in 59.9 seconds, and doing it all like he's ordering a pizza (easily; just watch a video of it sometime and look for the smile on his face while he was doing it, let alone the ease of his body-action). Now, you tell me, does anyone out there really think that a guy (Kenenisa Bekele) doing all that at the end of an OLYMPIC 5,000m is inferior overall to Farah at that distance when both are in their prime?
Bekele fan, I think the Haile-Bekele argument is an interesting one.
But I can't believe as big of a fan that you are just ignoring the obvious thing that Bekele has going for him. He did something that Haile never did - win world cross. Not just win it.. Win it 11 times. Yes they ruined the event with short course/long course but he won the long race 7 times. Haile g gave up when he realized he couldn't be Tergat in it.
laying the smackdown wrote:
In general, a sit-and-kick gold doesn't mean as much as a fast gold. As a ridiculous hypothetical to illustrate this, let's say the 5,000 were run at 7-minute pace for the first 4600m, and Michael Johnson in his prime were in that same race with Farah in his prime. When it comes down to the last lap, who's going to win the race? Of course Johnson would blow away Farah in the final 400m, but that doesn't make Johnson a great 5,000m runner.
I gotta disagree with you here. I not sure MJ could even run 9600 at 7 minute pace. But let's assume he could. I think if they did that and it came down to the last lap, I'd take Farah or Geb or Bekele over him on the last lap.
They would be 100% fresh and would run their 400 pb. Johnson would be tired and run like 55.
I'll ask John Kellogg what he thinks. That's the type of stuff he'd know.