typical lestrunner wrote:
It sure is amazing what one can accomplish with modern pharmaceutical$, right bros?
Always good to hear from posters with "first-hand" pharma experience, right typical?
typical lestrunner wrote:
It sure is amazing what one can accomplish with modern pharmaceutical$, right bros?
Always good to hear from posters with "first-hand" pharma experience, right typical?
The hallux rigidus fusion op on his big toe is the hands-down most amazing aspect to this story.
Frank Field wrote:
The hallux rigidus fusion op on his big toe is the hands-down most amazing aspect to this story.
Yes, I told my spouse what he ran, who was like, "Wasn't that the guy who's doctor told him he shouldn't run anymore?" Truly inspiring to us runners from that generation!
So he is a little slower than when he was a sophomore in HS. That makes sense- a lot of talent and a lot of desire. Awesome run, and glad I got to see it and didn't get fooled by the Flotrack announcer who didn't know how to pronounce his name and didn't recognize him...
It is remarkable how close M45 records and women's open records are across the board 100m-marathon (10.7-2:14 for M45)
Unbelievable what he has been able to do after gaining 60 lbs, having toe fusion surgery, and doing this 23 years after the apex of his career. But you have to remember that this guy is an animal. He broke Pre's hs 3k record, won a bunch of college titles, beat BK, ran 13:20 (in a different era), and had his career radically shortened by injuries. And to think that I was only about half a minute back of him in a 4 miler a couple years ago and he's just a bit older than me! In hs, he only ran about 2 minutes faster than me at the 2M. The gap has returned, emphatically!
John was running not training over the years. He even ran in some races.
Unfortunately there is no money in masters running that an elite could make a living off of, at some point he will go back to work.
John's talent level is exceptionally high and yes he is capable of breaking 4:00 outdoors. Running at this level till 50 is a whole other story. Wish him luck and gods speed.
Let the frat boy talk begin wrote:
Sick?
Was it also insane?
Did he just throw down this time, or did he also manage to take down some people?
I believe the OP was trying to say that he vomited when he saw Mr. Trautmann's time.
He could probably do more damage at the 5k distance than the mile/1500.
He's ridiculously talented, and has the added benefit of having fresh legs - which is what most of the master's outliers have. If he had been training seriously and racing and had out on another 75K miles on those legs over the years, he would not be running 4:12 and eyeing sub-4 at 46.
Aphenomenal1 wrote:
He's ridiculously talented, and has the added benefit of having fresh legs - which is what most of the master's outliers have. If he had been training seriously and racing and had out on another 75K miles on those legs over the years, he would not be running 4:12 and eyeing sub-4 at 46.
Yeah, well, except for the part of being trashed with injuries post-colege and now having a half-wrecked foot...yeah...."fresh legs"
...John...thx for taking the *** out of this record. Congrats & continued success.
Xoxo
..tOnY
Hand Of Fate wrote:
Aphenomenal1 wrote:He's ridiculously talented, and has the added benefit of having fresh legs - which is what most of the master's outliers have. If he had been training seriously and racing and had out on another 75K miles on those legs over the years, he would not be running 4:12 and eyeing sub-4 at 46.
Yeah, well, except for the part of being trashed with injuries post-colege and now having a half-wrecked foot...yeah...."fresh legs"
Makes one wonder what Lagat may do at age 45 (or older) if he can keep from getting injured. He runs low mileage as it is.
Had a chance to race John back in High School over 5k on the track. Ran against him in college whilst he was a Georgetown. Ran a sub 5 a few years ago. 4:12 is really on a different planet. He is probably running as fast as he is from not training much in his 30's. Still hungry to get better every day. Would love to see what type of training he does to get to this level. Recovery slows down dramatically with age.
Below is Fish messaged me on Facebook earlier this week regarding other events.
Going to run 800 next week. I think 1:58 maybe. I would love to get under 15 in the 5000m. I gotta back my boy Centro in the mile although Willis looked great last week. I agree with your top 3. Ches will get a lot of NCAa records in the next few years.
I also asked him about some his workouts and this is what he's done recently.
Once a week tempo (2x2mile in 10 min or 3-4 miles at 5:10-5:15). Speed (800 in 2:00, 600 in 1:29, 400 in 57. 6-8 min rest). Earlier in winter 8-10 x 800m in 2:20-2:25 with1-2 min rest.
I think the 3K record in within reach (8:26.xx). The 4:12 converts to about 8:18.
LetsRun.com wrote:
Trautmann's masters prowess continued at BU today.
https://twitter.com/levelrenner/status/566687530318577665We'll paste full results once they finish up the 22 heats.
Might be just as impressive as lagat's run today. Maybe not. But still, great stuff from Trautmann
Aphenomenal1 wrote:
He's ridiculously talented, and has the added benefit of having fresh legs - which is what most of the master's outliers have. If he had been training seriously and racing and had out on another 75K miles on those legs over the years, he would not be running 4:12 and eyeing sub-4 at 46.
first off, trautmann is unbelievably talented and tough. that's what makes him a "masters outlier," not "fresh legs." tony young, who posts above, and any other "masters outlier" i know would never credit "fresh legs"--just sayin'.
secondly, i don't think trautmann is eyeing sub-4--especially when he knows a 1:58 800 is going to be a challenge, although i think he'll hit this mark easily. 12 seconds, on the other hand, is another universe away...
my advice to john: find some outdoor meets asap! get after 'em while the gettin' is good...
socal cush wrote:
Aphenomenal1 wrote:He's ridiculously talented, and has the added benefit of having fresh legs - which is what most of the master's outliers have. If he had been training seriously and racing and had out on another 75K miles on those legs over the years, he would not be running 4:12 and eyeing sub-4 at 46.
first off, trautmann is unbelievably talented and tough. that's what makes him a "masters outlier," not "fresh legs." tony young, who posts above, and any other "masters outlier" i know would never credit "fresh legs"--just sayin'.
secondly, i don't think trautmann is eyeing sub-4--especially when he knows a 1:58 800 is going to be a challenge, although i think he'll hit this mark easily. 12 seconds, on the other hand, is another universe away...
my advice to john: find some outdoor meets asap! get after 'em while the gettin' is good...
He dropped ten seconds in the last freaking YEAR. The first year he's trained really seriously.
Yeah, 12 seconds is obviously a long way to go, but, after what he did today, you can't tell me the thought hasn't probably crossed his mind.
I don't think it's inconceivable.
Suppose he decided to stay 'retired' for a few more years (he's probably pretty comfortable financially), and train really seriously till he's 50.
Would you really say he's got no shot?
It'd be a hell of a lot of fun to watch; I'll say that.
What's the big deal? The outdoor WR for M45 1500 is 3:48.53, a decidedly superior time.
It's a great run for somebody his age, but not unheralded.
As great John was/is, I don't see him breaking 4:00. Keep in mind his all time best is 3:58. And he's not getting any younger. I think a 3:48ish 1500 could be attainable.