Ryan Deak

i believe that, in most regions...you need to be in about 9 flat shape for 2m in order to qualify for FL Nat'ls

to say that these guys "can't come close" or to say that Deak's TT was some anomaly and that he should have won the thing...that's stupid

That is so misinformed it is scary..not one guy from NE FL Qualifiers are anywhere near 9 flat two milers ..nor are they in 9 flat shape..this is the most absurd post ever..the guys that can PROBABlY run 9 flat or better right now for 3200 not even two miles are Nationally, Solinsky, Debole, maybe, maybe Curtis, maybe Deak..maybe Aria..maybe..so I will expand my list..but no further than that

have you ever considered, then, that maybe the South region isn't so weak and that their best racing is left in Charlotte? because at least 4-5 of the qualifiers from there were in 9 flat shape

king99 is obviously an idiot...

Rupp, Tim Nelson, Tref, Poe, Jesperson- 9flat dont ya think.

How bout #2 guy at natls. -- most definitely

Think any of the 4 juniors in that top group were

close.

another approach. 9flat = 14:35 or so 5K on the track

Seems that ole SD course is good for 40-45 seconds less

or 15 secs on the mile or 4 secs on the 400

Solinsky was surely going 14:10 min on the track on that

day.

king99 sees 9 flat as a majot barrier. I do too but it looks like more people than usuall will reach it this year.

I'll add Wesley Smith to the list of 9 flat guys.

The kind of milage Deak is putting in--well, I'm not so sure I should be impressed with his times. I'm more impressed that he hasn't suffered a physical and mental breakdown.

there are plenty of high schoolers putting in 80-90 mile weeks-- a lot more than you think...

The following are the 3200-meter PRs of this year's top prep athletes, as best to my knowledge:

1) Chris Solinsky, Wisconsin, 8:48.44

2) Matt DeBole, North Carolina, 8:56 time trial

3) Kyle Alcorn, California, 8:56.76

4) Brian Dalpiaz, New York, 8:57.24

5) Galen Rupp, Oregon, 8:58.11

6) Bobby Curtis, Kentucky, 8:59.63

7) Ryan Deak, Florida, 9:00.12

8) Wesley Smith, Ohio, 9:00.46, converted from 2M

9) Stephen Pifer, Illinois, 9:01 time trial

10) John Crews, Virginia, 9:02.31

11) Tim Nelson, California, 9:02.50

12) Steve Hassen, Florida, 9:02.60

13) Brent Vaughn, Colorado, 9:03.14

14) Chris Kollar, Ohio, 9:04.07

A high number of these have already committed to the Arcadia Invitational in mid-April (www.arcadiainvitational.com)

Rich G.

Note: Times listed for Hassen and Vaughn are 3200-meter conversions from two miles.

RG

Hey facts...how about this for every guy that breaks 9 minutes this indoor season over 3 that I said were probably automatic.I will post an apology to you..and if there are none over the three I committed too you will take your uninformed ass somewhere else..go over the lists and see how many guys have run sub 9 Indoors..which to me would have indicated they were at least this supposed 9 flat fit in XC??

There is no way, no how that that many guys are 9 flat fit in XC or right now..

Those times and conversions are from Outdoor mostly in top track shape times and in top comp..and of that listing some of those guys did not even make FL..Galen Rupp dropped out so I'm not quite so sure he was 9 flat fit..last year how many guys by Outdoors ran under nine minutes for even 3200 all YEAR?? And now you're telling me they are 9 flat ready in Novemeber, it just ain';t so..get a clue..like it or not

catman wrote:

The kind of milage Deak is putting in--well, I'm not so sure I should be impressed with his times. I'm more impressed that he hasn't suffered a physical and mental breakdown.

You know, you're on to something there. People who actually train to run fast times should be ashamed of themselves. Those cheaters! As for burnout from running a lot as a kid, Haile Geb had the same problem. Sad that he never amounted to much.

ArcadiaMeet wrote:

14) Chris Kollar, Ohio, 9:04.07

He sucks at the 5k--sort of. But 3200 seems to be his race. I look for him to get under the 9 minute barrier this year. Tough kid with an incredible foot speed for final 400.

i'll go over this SLOWLY, so you can understand it:

there's a thing called COMPETITION-- in particular, i'm referring to races like footlocker where ALL of the top runners race AGAINST each other, not against a bunch of "joe blow 9:30 guys from down the street" at some goddamn indoor meet... the top 32 cross guys in the country this year, racing AGAINST each other in a 3200 in december, SHOULD produce a dozen sub-9's... there is NO difference between cross shape and 3200 shape-- anybody who cannot understand this shouldn't be coaching high school runners... as for me, i'm a club coach who just happens to advise a guy who qualified for footlocker this year (i'm not going to give out his name, for obvious reasons)-- he finished behind deak, yet i'm quite sure he could've run right at 9:00 four weeks ago... little will change from his cross training to what he does before arcadia (no indoors, it's USELESS), so when he runs sub-9 there, you can make you're apology then...

isn't funny how all of these high schools guys, while training for the 1600/3200, manage to drop big 5000 times (14:30's) at junior nationals in late june??? yeah, well it works both ways-- they could drop big 3200 times at the end of cross, too...

holy crap-- i said "you're" instead of "your"... two o' clock in the morning...

Facts..you report none! and this is my last repsonse to you..and I don't give a shit who you coach..you are wrong beyond belief..there is no way 12 guys could run sub 9 now..and there are not nearly as many guys "dropping" 14:30 5K track times in the spring as you purport..that is simply not factual at all period..end of story..last year by the end of spring 16 times were run that were 9 flat or equivalent for 3200 METERS thats by the end of July!!!..more than a handful were run in the same race at Arcadia..to imply that most of these guys were in 9 flat shape in Cross is so inaccurate it is scary you would even come on here and spout that..I know for a fact that two of the NE leading finishers Kevin Tscirhart and Hakon Devries of NY are no where near 9 flat guys then or now..Devries runs the 3200 at the Armory in NY tomorrow the fastest track in the country and I will be shocked if he goes 9:12 ..I will say this 5K success is different than mile 2 mile success number one and I would say..maybe, maybe Solinsky, Curtis, Debole, Deak would crack 9 maybe Pifer..I don't care who finished ahead or behind..thats what the facts support nothing more nothing less..

not only are there a dozen guys in the country capable of sub-9, there are no less than SEVEN in california alone:

alcorn (8:56 last year)

leal (9:00; 14:28 two years ago)

nelson (9:02: 14:30's last year)

reid (9:07 last year; state cross champ; 15:05 for cross 5k)

poe (9:08 last year; MUCH stronger now-- west region champ)

trafeh (9:08 last year; MUCH stronger now--7th at nationals)

morgan (9:10 last year)

i'm not sure if you're familiar with the west region, but more than half of these runners DID NOT EVEN QUALIFY FOR NATIONALS-- pretty impressive, huh? i'm also not sure why you're so obsessed with indoors-- the only two times of the year most of the above runners are in peak (sub-9) shape would be nov/dec and may/june, not mid-january... the problem is that you people obsessed with the "lists" are missing my hypothetical scenario (which started this whole debate) where ALL of the big guns run a 3200 against each other on the track in december-- only footlocker provides this opportunity, but it's a cross 5k... arcadia will have some, but it's too early in the season (a well-trained distance runner should actually be able faster for 3200 in december than early april)... if you think all of these kids who peak early and drop a 9:05 at some mid-season invite will little competition aren't capable of sub-9, THEN THINK AGAIN!!!

Another guy to watch out for, even though he didn't even run the northeast regional, is mohammed khadroui. he won new jersey meet of champs over keith krieger and pete hess in 15:47, pretty quick for holmdel (pelerin ran 15:43)... but the amazing thing is that he never ran until last track season when he got down to low 9:30s i think. his training is thus limited... only a year of hard running under him and look at what he's accomplished. he has one more year of eligibility next xc season. it just seems that he has only touched the tip of the iceberg in what he can accomplish.