Coach says quality quality quality

800 recorder wrote:

Gary Oldman wrote:

If you can run those track times you should be able to run 18 minutes on 15 miles a week.

This^. 20:30 runners have trouble breaking six. Obvious troll.

Not necessarily. There's nothing special about a 5:05 mile or a 2:08 half. Some young runners can handle that short stuff while bombing on the longer stuff. Now, if he had said that he ran a sub-10 two mile but couldn't break 20:30 for 5K, that would be an obvious troll.

15 mpw. Please break that down for us daily with warm up, cool down, strides, etc.

9/10

In high school, I would do 30-40 miles. Had trouble running 40+, which I would get injured afterwards.

In my first year of running in college (second year of school), during track season, the coach was pretty much like that. Monday was workout on the grass fields, Tuesday was weights, Wednesday was workout on the grass fields, Thursday weights, Friday distance run, Saturday long run or competition.

During XC, there wasn't weights and no double days. Pretty much quality focused.

On tuesdays and thursdays, the weights I did were not what I should be doing. Gained so many pounds of muscle and arms were massive. It was hard to run afterwards. Then at the end of season, which I was racing unattached, the assistant coach told me to ditch weights. Ran solid times. Loss those pounds after the season and the coach got fired.

That season, I went from 4:31 1500 - 4:19 1500. During the winter, I was running 50+ mpw. All easy running. So my friend, my advice is have a good base in the offseason. I think my success that year, which was surprising, was caused by my base. Now I am a 4:11 1500m runner and 26:45 8k runner.

Now I'm at a club team. the club is quality focused as well where they do 20+ miles. Their schedule works for me since I spend 3/4 of my week on my own where I can put in 70+ miles.

I thought I was right and should do a little more on the side. Thanks for all the advice. What coach don't know won't hurt him, right?!

he probably wont care if you are doing well. just do what you need to do, stay healthy, and run fast.

Obey My Coach wrote:

I thought I was right and should do a little more on the side. Thanks for all the advice. What coach don't know won't hurt him, right?!

The people on this board are indoctrinated into a backwards way of thinking that revolves around MPW, a metric that means NOTHING. Doing more on the side will not make you faster, will make you slower by undermining your recovery from the hard workouts. It won't hurt your coach, but it will hurt you.

Asdfghjkl wrote:

Obey My Coach wrote:

I thought I was right and should do a little more on the side. Thanks for all the advice. What coach don't know won't hurt him, right?!

The people on this board are indoctrinated into a backwards way of thinking that revolves around MPW, a metric that means NOTHING. Doing more on the side will not make you faster, will make you slower by undermining your recovery from the hard workouts. It won't hurt your coach, but it will hurt you.

Ignore this guy. He's full of crap. As long as you do it right, by building up slowly, more mileage than the little you're doing will definitely help. There are so many running schedules online and in books by experts that will tell you how to gradually raise your mileage. The problem is that, if you're like I was at your age, we runners are impatient for success and we typically push ourselves too much, too soon. If you AREN'T recovering from the hard workouts, OBVIOUSLY you can't add more mileage. But if you're handling it, then start adding little by little. It WILL help, but do it right.

heres another advice to give you. I got this from my coach.

"The little things you do will help you in the long run."

The extra stuff you do on the side will pay off. Be detailed oriented as well.

You can train with either high intensity or high volume, but you cannot do both without overtraining as they are contradictory notions. The extra training you want to do on the side will conflict with your coach's program, not compliment it. And I cannot emphasize enough how clueless most people on this site are about even the rudiments of physical training. What you get here is superstition, not science.

I wish you would stop wanking on about long slow distance. It gets tedious, and is nothing like what Lydiard did with his athletes. You think LSD alone gets you 1:44.3 on grass!?

You are completely wrong.

Asdfghjkl wrote:

You can train with either high intensity or high volume, but you cannot do both without overtraining as they are contradictory notions. The extra training you want to do on the side will conflict with your coach's program, not compliment it. And I cannot emphasize enough how clueless most people on this site are about even the rudiments of physical training. What you get here is superstition, not science.

Lydiard is God wrote:

I wish you would stop wanking on about long slow distance. It gets tedious, and is nothing like what Lydiard did with his athletes. You think LSD alone gets you 1:44.3 on grass!?

I don't know where you're getting this. I would never say such a stupid thing. In my own running book I quote Seb Coe:

"I believe that long, slow distance produces long, slow runners."

Or were you somehow replying to someone else?

Obey My Coach wrote:

Cool. I was thinking along those line, to. Next year's 15 mile weeks for xc is going to feel wierd, tho. lol

There is nothing that says you have to only run when the coach makes you. Run the additional miles on your own.