Now a Coach wrote:
I eat a 3 egg omelette every day. That's 90 eggs in a 30 day month.
90 eggs have September, April, June, and November.
All the rest have 93,
Except February alone,
And that has 84 clear,
And 87 in a leap year
Now a Coach wrote:
I eat a 3 egg omelette every day. That's 90 eggs in a 30 day month.
90 eggs have September, April, June, and November.
All the rest have 93,
Except February alone,
And that has 84 clear,
And 87 in a leap year
T-Rex is a moron. Everyone knows that.
He says polyunsaturated fats are good, protein is good, carbs are good.
Mcdonalds fries are fried in soybean oil, which is 90% polyunsaturated. Therefore, the McD fries would be a perfect mix.
Also, in case you need a bit more protein, breaded chicken wings would be perfect, because it combines polyunsaturated fat, protein and carbs from grains.
In conclusion: T-Rex is a moron.
For once I actually agree with this troll.
Xfit_guy_the_real_1 wrote:
T-Rex is a moron. Everyone knows that.
He says polyunsaturated fats are good, protein is good, carbs are good.
Mcdonalds fries are fried in soybean oil, which is 90% polyunsaturated. Therefore, the McD fries would be a perfect mix.
Also, in case you need a bit more protein, breaded chicken wings would be perfect, because it combines polyunsaturated fat, protein and carbs from grains.
In conclusion: T-Rex is a moron.
well then, that means that at least this once (but probably many other times) you are wrong.
Umm no wrote:
For once I actually agree with this troll.
Xfit_guy_the_real_1 wrote:T-Rex is a moron. Everyone knows that.
He says polyunsaturated fats are good, protein is good, carbs are good.
Mcdonalds fries are fried in soybean oil, which is 90% polyunsaturated. Therefore, the McD fries would be a perfect mix.
Also, in case you need a bit more protein, breaded chicken wings would be perfect, because it combines polyunsaturated fat, protein and carbs from grains.
In conclusion: T-Rex is a moron.
Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:
* I said moderation on FAST FOOD fries (not yours), some of which are not very healthy. Your homemade ones could be quite healthy. Yes, moderation would not be such an issue with those, although a diet relying too much on one food is usually not ideal.
* yes, lean chicken breast, potatoes (especially if you eat a variety including sweet), and PUFAs can certainly be a big part of a healthy diet. No problem there if you are eating a lot of that
* why avoid nuts if you believe in PUFAs? Nuts/seeds are an excellent source of PUFAs (and good protein source, and fiber, and vitamins/minerals). Non-fat dairy eliminates all sat fat if that is a concern, and then you have a great protein source, excellent hydration, and good mineral source. Eggs are actually a pretty good fat source (more PUFAs than SFAs), but high in cholesterol, and of course good protein. Moderation is fine here. Lean red meats can certainly be part of a healthy diet too.
No way. I can't believe it was that easy to get you to endorse french fries and fried chicken as staple foods for a distance runner. Dietary cholesterol causes negative health effects and diet has no effect on performance on East Africans now? You're a moron and your dietary guidance is decades out of date. When you graduate clown college you're supposed to go work in the circus not give terrible advice on a message board for runners. Well, you still make people laugh I guess.
curious man wrote:
No way. I can't believe it was that easy to get you to endorse french fries and fried chicken as staple foods for a distance runner. Dietary cholesterol causes negative health effects and diet has no effect on performance on East Africans now? You're a moron and your dietary guidance is decades out of date. When you graduate clown college you're supposed to go work in the circus not give terrible advice on a message board for runners. Well, you still make people laugh I guess.
You're like 3/8 as smart and informed as you think you are.
Xfit_guy_the_real_1 wrote:
T-Rex is a moron. Everyone knows that.
He says polyunsaturated fats are good, protein is good, carbs are good.
Mcdonalds fries are fried in soybean oil, which is 90% polyunsaturated. Therefore, the McD fries would be a perfect mix.
Fried oil is not the same. Fries are also calorie-dense food. Fries have too much salt too.
Frying is also not good even if you do not use any fat.
Interesting discussion. For years, eggs have gotten a bad rep because of high sat fat and cholesterol but newer evidence suggests that dietary cholesterol has 0 influence on body cholesterol levels and that the saturated fat actually helps raising HDL (the good cholesterol) and therefore the HDL/LDL ratio.
I wouldn't eat 20 eggs per day but nutritionists in the US now understand that there is nothing wrong with eating 3-6 eggs per day.
Track XC Coach wrote:
Interesting discussion. For years, eggs have gotten a bad rep because of high sat fat and cholesterol but newer evidence suggests that dietary cholesterol has 0 influence on body cholesterol levels and that the saturated fat actually helps raising HDL (the good cholesterol) and therefore the HDL/LDL ratio.
That's untrue. Look up "cholesterol hyperresponders". Most people will see a very small effect from dietary cholesterol, but it's a continuum. Some people see huge bumps.
Bearcage wrote:
Track XC Coach wrote:Interesting discussion. For years, eggs have gotten a bad rep because of high sat fat and cholesterol but newer evidence suggests that dietary cholesterol has 0 influence on body cholesterol levels and that the saturated fat actually helps raising HDL (the good cholesterol) and therefore the HDL/LDL ratio.
That's untrue. Look up "cholesterol hyperresponders". Most people will see a very small effect from dietary cholesterol, but it's a continuum. Some people see huge bumps.
Hey, lookey here, someone with a clue about nutrition!! Thanks for chiming in BearCage. Usually it's me against the "EAT 5 lbs of red meat a day!" "Sat fat is the healthiest fat!" "Avoid all grains like the devil" "Carbs will kill you" Paleo/Atkins/Taubes cabal. It's comical in a way, but a tad infuriating also.
(also thanks to "rrr" for chiming in)
Bearcage wrote:
curious man wrote:No way. I can't believe it was that easy to get you to endorse french fries and fried chicken as staple foods for a distance runner. Dietary cholesterol causes negative health effects and diet has no effect on performance on East Africans now? You're a moron and your dietary guidance is decades out of date.
You're like 3/8 as smart and informed as you think you are.
"3/8" ?? That's being rather kind. I would have gone with 1/40th.
The humorous thing was that he thinks he "tricked" me into "endorsing" unhealthy fast food. TO review "curious man"'s nonsense:
a) I already told him fast food fries are often unhealthy for several reasons (too processed, too much fat [often including lots of sat fat and trans fat], too many calories in small package, too much salt (for some people an issue), old re-used oil, oil cooked at much too high of a heat). Some fries aren't as bad (better fat), and in moderation are likely no big deal. But homemade fries, with whole potatoes and fresh, not overheated oil would be great.
I guess since "curious man" thinks red meat and sat fat are great, he'd be fine with someone eating 10 McD's 1/4 pounders with cheese and bacon (hold the bread) each and every day? I mean, red meat and sat fat are great, right? Hey, look how easy it was for me to get you to endorse that diet! Sucker.... (that's basically what you think you did to me)
b) yes, dietary cholesterol can raise people's cholesterol, depending on person and dose. This is an absolute fact.
c) I simply said: take an ultra talented East Africa training hard, and put him on, say, an all McDonald's diet, and match him against some untalented nobody, eating the "perfect diet" (whatever you think that is), and the E Africa would still kick ass, and the diet wouldn't even hold him back much. Just reality.
d) my advice is straight from the latest info available. You imagine it's old advice, because you've been told by some 'Bro blogs that it is. You and they are wrong.
I'm not on the paleo diet and I've been eating a dozen eggs a day. I'm just poor.
Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:
I simply said: take an ultra talented East Africa hard
Yes we all know that's what you like to do.
OK
Dietary cholesterol does not increase cholesterol, your body makes it's own cholesterol fueled by saturated and trans fats.
The RDA for saturated fat is 21g, for trans fat it's < 1g.
Randy Oldman wrote:
Dietary cholesterol does not increase cholesterol, your body makes it's own cholesterol fueled by saturated and trans fats.
The RDA for saturated fat is 21g, for trans fat it's < 1g.
I've got two issues with this:
1. Yes, saturated fat raises cholesterol, but it raises the GOOD (HDL) cholesterol. Why would you limit it?
2. Historically, saturated fats and trans fats have been evaluated together. That's one of the reasons sat fat got a bad rep when it really was the trans fats.
Quick quiz: where does the typical American get most trans fat from?
Randy Oldman wrote:
OK
Dietary cholesterol does not increase cholesterol, your body makes it's own cholesterol fueled by saturated and trans fats.
The RDA for saturated fat is 21g, for trans fat it's < 1g.
Hypo- and hyperresponsiveness to dietary cholesterol extends to other hypercholesterolemic components of the diet. In humans and rabbits hyperresponsiveness to dietary cholesterol is associated with responsiveness to dietary saturated fatty acids. The mechanisms underlying hypo- and hyperresponsiveness to dietary cholesterol have not yet been unraveled. On the basis of available data, we propose that in hyperresponders, compared with hyporesponders, there is a higher hepatic efflux of cholesterol in low-density lipoproteins (LDL), or its precursors, after cholesterol consumption. This may be caused by insufficient inhibition of cholesterol biosynthesis and/or the high capacity of cholesterol absorption in the hyperresponders. The stimulation of LDL production accounts for the increase in LDL cholesterol in serum. The number of hepatic LDL receptors, which may be already decreased in hyperresponders, will decrease further through down-regulation. The receptor-mediated LDL clearance decreases, but the absolute amount of LDL cholesterol taken up by the cells via the receptor and by the receptor-independent pathway increases because of the increased level of LDL cholesterol. In this way a new equilibrium is reached in which LDL production equals LDL catabolism. The phenomenon of hypo- and hyperresponsiveness may have implications for counseling subjects who attempt to lower their serum cholesterol by diet.
you can't blame her, I'm telling you, when you cut most/all carbs, there isn't much to eat. eggs, tofu, meat........ really, you think about it. then you will understand
Randy Oldman wrote:
Dietary cholesterol does not increase cholesterol...
As a blanket statement, that's incorrect Randy-
"The issue of excess dietary cholesterol is also of public health concern. Traditionally, because dietary cholesterol has been shown to raise LDL cholesterol and high intakes induce atherosclerosis in observational studies, the prevailing recommendation has been to restrict dietary cholesterol intake, including otherwise healthy foods such as eggs. The potential negative effects of dietary cholesterol are relatively small compared to those of SFA and trans fatty acids (Clarke, 1997; Howell, 1997). A further important consideration is significant variation in the population in individual responses to cholesterol intake; differences in susceptibility are likely based on well-characterized genetic polymorphisms in several genes encoding enzymes, apolipoproteins, receptors, and transporters involved in lipid metabolism and storage. The underlying genetic polymorphisms are manifested as individuals who are ―hyper-responders‖ and ―hypo-responders‖ referring to those who respond to cholesterol intake with elevated serum LDL cholesterol and those who, at the same level of cholesterol intake, do not exhibit increased serum LDL cholesterol, respectively."
Report of the DGAC on the Dietary Guidelines for Americans, 2010
Xfit_guy_the_real_1 wrote:
1. Yes, saturated fat raises cholesterol, but it raises the GOOD (HDL) cholesterol. Why would you limit it?
Because it raises LDL and total cholesterol, which are still strongly linked to increased risk of CVD. And as I've repeated continuously, raising one's HDL via diet or drugs may not have nearly the positive effects that experts used to think. In fact, it might not doing anything at all-
http://www.nature.com/nrcardio/journal/v9/n7/full/nrcardio.2012.80.htmlhttp://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/17/health/research/hdl-good-cholesterol-found-not-to-cut-heart-risk.htmlXfit_guy_the_real_1 wrote:2. Historically, saturated fats and trans fats have been evaluated together. That's one of the reasons sat fat got a bad rep when it really was the trans fats.
incorrect, they both raise total/ldl. And trans lowers HDL, so it's thought to be worse. But as I show above, this might not matter.