Damn, there are psychos out there defending this? Wow. Seriously, take some medication or something. You're not right.
Damn, there are psychos out there defending this? Wow. Seriously, take some medication or something. You're not right.
If you are really a D1 coach and this is your perception, I have a bit of advice -- quit your job tomorrow. Seriously, quit acting like your job is so difficult. You have one of the easiest gigs in the world and should be thanking your lucky stars every day that you get paid to do what you do.
If these are truly your experiences with athletes you recruit, you need to look in the mirror to see the problem.
"I can tell you from first hand experience that so many elite athletes show up to campus, locked into a full scholorship, and completely go down hill from there."
Read more:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6057002&page=10#ixzz3GGVBA5qe
If that is your experience, then you are a lousy recruiter and you deserve who your recruit.
Besides you aren't a very good speller, indicating your level of intelligence leaves some doubt you are nothing more than a dopey troll.
No one deserves to be treated the way these women were treated. Same goes for basketball players and football players.
That is what is so wrong with college sports. it is out of control. Let's call it what it is, a manipulator and user of student-athletes.
I have no sympathy for coaches who use athletes for their own self-interests and huge salary. What a joke to call this college athletics.
you have crossed over to the dark side - no question
Coaching is NOT one of the easiest gigs in the world especially if you do it correctly. While I do not know the details (nor do any of you) on this particular situation, this coach is saying the truth. I would not say that most athletes do this but there are an awful lot of recruits that sign the NLI and think they have it made. Unfortunately this is only the beginning.
I coach middle distance and distance and it is not as common as with other event areas. What is common though is a lack of understanding coming in as to how hard they will have to work during their 4-5 years of college. NCAA D1 track and xc is VERY competitive and few outside get it.
What Happens Behind the Scenes wrote:
These threads are getting so redundant with the amount of people that are bashing BAS and defending the "victims"...
1. It's "number," not "amount," and the rest of your moronic screed is no better. Not that you are intelligent enough to have anything meaningful to contribute about any topic, but if you learn to write in passable English you'll be more likely to be taken seriously.
2. You're a complete fool. Your blather has nothing whatsoever to do with the situation at UT. Save it for a scenario in which there really are athletes abusing their scholarships or whatever it is you're convinced is awry with college tracksters.
3. If you are Beeth Alford-Sullivan, you are both immoral and hideous to look at and I wish you the worst in everything you do.
OMG!!! Not one of these girls is how you are discribing them. These are first year freshman. Eager to come to UT and prove they have the stuff it takes. The fact is you can't say any of the crap you have because they never had the chance to prove it. This is a simple case of a coach who didn't want the sprinters and wanted to put the money elsewhere. She was willing to be unscrupulous to do it.
[quote]Bruinboy wrote:
NCAA rules will not allow you to recruit with tied up money. Early signing this year. Needed the money now to make offers.[quote]
But the girls scholarships are being honored through the year and not being cancelled immediately. Wouldn't signing someone from a JUCO or from overseas for January put Tennessee over the NCAA limit for scholarships?
Or were you thinking about signing kids for for the fall of 2015?
Just a thought.
I'm going to go back to my 80 hour work week now and be grateful I have a job because it is so easy.
Most of you have literally no idea what a coach does everyday. Is it enjoyable most of the time? yes. Is it a ton of really hard work that is often not appreciated? yes.
Does it mean missing enormous amounts of time with our families, especially on weekends? yes.
Don't come on here and bash the job we do. You can bash BAS if you feel that what she did do these kids was unfair, that is your right and people have made many good points about it.
Bashing the profession of coaching is stupid though. No one is bashing what you do. Every job is difficult and has its own challenges.
well actually a real div 1 coa wrote:
I'm going to go back to my 80 hour work week now and be grateful I have a job because it is so easy.
Most of you have literally no idea what a coach does everyday. Is it enjoyable most of the time? yes. Is it a ton of really hard work that is often not appreciated? yes.
Does it mean missing enormous amounts of time with our families, especially on weekends? yes.
Don't come on here and bash the job we do. You can bash BAS if you feel that what she did do these kids was unfair, that is your right and people have made many good points about it.
Bashing the profession of coaching is stupid though. No one is bashing what you do. Every job is difficult and has its own challenges.
On point! Very few people understand the demands of an elite college coach. You can act like you do, but you truly have no idea.
Sammy Seems.... wrote:
REMEMBER THE SEPTEMBER SIX!!!
Dude, they weren't killed, they were cut from a college track team. Dang, don't over do it.
Please tell us what school you are attached to so that we can steer our kids away from it. Don't take that personally, because according to you, we will save both our time and energy.
Perhaps the parents should sue the NCAA ? They allow a coach to do this with NO repercussions. Coach Sullivan made sure that by allowing them to practice for a couple of weeks and then dismissing them so she could redistribute the scholarship money, that now they won't be able to compete against HER
( Unniverstiy of Tennessee ) in her own conference. That's just how INSIDIOUS this coaching move really was. Evil really.
The NCAA should reprimand Beth Sullivan and UT should fire her. Imagine if she were now barred from coaching at another school in the SEC like these girls are now prohibited from competing in this conference.
Remember the September Six! I hope the NCAA at the very least reviews it's policies and revises the one year renewable contract. That is supposed to be a safeguard so that if an athlete is negligent ( drugs, getting arrested, flunking out, failing to practice or complete... being a lazy load...) then, they can be dismissed. That was NOT the case here. These girls were eager to compete and showed up ready to work hard for UT. Running is what they live for!
To be dismissed because the new coach as a different "vision" is reprehensible.
"Athletics is for recreation and education, nothing else. Winning is only important in that you learn more." -HRG 2012.
a lot of drama on this thread...Kara Givnish carrying on like b.a.s. MURDERED 6 GIRLS (their lives are RUINED!!!!!!), to armchair experts who think coaches are responsible when their athletes don't hold up their end of the bargain.
the thing that no one seems to disagree on is that Sullivan is evil. i don't necessarily disagree with that, but for the love of god, these kids aren't dead.
you're dancing with the devil when you get sucked into the huge ego world of D1 athletics. nothing I hear about it surprises me, because both the coaches and athletes at this level are some of the biggest narcissists going. they all deserve each other as far as i'm concerned.
i'm pretty sure these poor darlings' futures are not forever ruined. lots of people overcame way worse to be both great students and great athletes.
and BAS will probably survive this just fine and buld a good program and win a bunch of honors for TN...and in so doing make more money than the best 4 coaches I know combined....people who would never Schidt on 18 year olds like this if you held a gun to their heads.
I guess this is another benefit to those coaches that only bring in foreign athletes. No backlash if you get rid of them.
Fools wrote:
Coaching is NOT one of the easiest gigs in the world especially if you do it correctly. While I do not know the details (nor do any of you) on this particular situation, this coach is saying the truth. I would not say that most athletes do this but there are an awful lot of recruits that sign the NLI and think they have it made. Unfortunately this is only the beginning.
I coach middle distance and distance and it is not as common as with other event areas. What is common though is a lack of understanding coming in as to how hard they will have to work during their 4-5 years of college. NCAA D1 track and xc is VERY competitive and few outside get it.
You miss the point.
(1) We do know some details (see page 1 article) and nobody at UT has denied it.
(2) Your argument isn't valid to this thread. These girls had no chance to prove themselves. I argue there aren't many on this site who would defend an athlete that doesn't take their scholarship seriously and try to improve themselves and contribute to their team.
I get that to advance up the ranks, coaches need to show success. What we all don't get is having these kids come to school and then can them.
Their athletics careers are on life support because of the actions of some very evil people. "Remember the September Six" is not about memorializing the athletes, but rather etching in stone who the responsible parties are and what they did.
On life support?!!! Get a freakin clue. It is a setback no worse than a freshman coming in and getting a stress fracture. Things happen. So much drama!! Your kids an transfer. I am betting that 80% of these posts are from the parents of these poor babies. Spend some time looking at a school for your child to go to or better yet, let them do some work to find a school.
Absolutely unbelievable that there are many on this thread who keep trying to paint the picture of the cut girls being drug taking, practice skipping, under-performing, undermining brats that were sucking the life out of Tennessee, despite ALL the evidence to the contrary.
Says something about the character of those posters, and likely the character of those they are trying to defend.
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