To fix education in the United States, we need to spend more money on it

anapaix wrote:

The real answer to the questions is that the best education in the us is present where government schools and unions aren't present--in private schools. Regardless of state or what political party the government is there, the reigning fact is that private education is nearly universally better than public education--regardless of state, county, white, black, Christian, atheist, or political affiliation. The one thing they all have in common is good private schools.

That is VERY debatable. I suspect that having parents who:

1) Value education enough to be willing to pay substantial amounts of money for it

and

2) Have sufficient money to make 1) possible

very heavily skews the student population toward those from stable households, those from households with a high educational achievement emphasis and those with (forbidden word) high IQs.

With kids like that comparisons in performance between public and private schools would tend to be meaningless. And the notion that private education is better, correspondingly specious.

madarin wrote:

If you eliminate the test scores of blacks and Hispanics, US students score higher than almost every other country in the world. Even though teachers unions are a joke, they aren't the issue. More money isn't the answer. The problems in the US education system aren't even "problems." They are the natural result of the genetic differences between races.

This^

Honestly if you look at the test scores of suburban white schools they are doing just fine. We just have a boat anchor attached to our test scores when we start comparing all of our students internationally.

Nobody likes to talk about this, but it's true.

GottaSayIt wrote:

madarin wrote:

If you eliminate the test scores of blacks and Hispanics, US students score higher than almost every other country in the world. Even though teachers unions are a joke, they aren't the issue. More money isn't the answer. The problems in the US education system aren't even "problems." They are the natural result of the genetic differences between races.

This^

Honestly if you look at the test scores of suburban white schools they are doing just fine. We just have a boat anchor attached to our test scores when we start comparing all of our students internationally.

Nobody likes to talk about this, but it's true.

I have a question on what factual material is available. Namely, does anybody know of an easy way to find data on the test scores of of "suburban white schools" in comparison to top scoring nations?

Thanks in advance.

The call for a longer school day seems insane. If anything the school day needs to be shorter. People in college don't go to class 8 hours straight, why should younger students?

The ONLY reason the school day is 7 hrs is that it's free babysitting for parents. If it were really just about education, kids would go to about 4 hrs of classes a day and classes would rotate throughout the week not unlike a collegiate class schedule.

How about PARENTS take some responsibility for the education kids receive?? Why do they let their kids play video games or watch videos all the time outside of school? If they encouraged reading and did not provide those entertainment options all the time, the kids would be at a far higher level. It's just that simple. You're in charge. Do something.

This is also a very wrong statement.

NO most private schools who teach the same demographics as their local public schools DO NOT outperform the public schools.

Do private schools do a great job in teaching rich white kids? Sure they do. But those same rich white kids would have performed the same way on the same tests if they went to the local public school.

Now if you look at private school who teach lower demographic students they DO NOT teach the students as well as the local public schools.

If you want to pay 30k a year you will get a better education. Why? Because they are paying for the best talented teachers to teach there. However, your average private schools costs between 6k and 10k and you are NOT getting a better education that you average public school.

Just a few articles to explain why your typical private school does not perform better than your typical public school.

Also, I was talking about state education system not individual city systems. I like how you are trying to shift the conversation to facts that more align to your point rather than stick to the over all conversation.