Star wrote:
It will be interesting to see where Rupp ranks on the year.
Another top 4 finish.
Interesting event to rank since nobody clearly earned top spot with so many different winners and some of the winners having at least one really off race. I think it leans to Ndiku though. Rupp was certainly consistent. Too bad he couldn't hold on to second today. To bad we don't have Bekele anymore chasing a fast time....
Rupp should have won that race. He had it in the bag on the backstretch but he held back instead of seizing control.
He always seems to stick to a preset game plan. He gives up when things go wrong and fails to take advantage when things go better than expected. He just missed what might be his last opportunity for a DL win.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Rupp should have won that race. He had it in the bag on the backstretch but he held back instead of seizing control.
He always seems to stick to a preset game plan. He gives up when things go wrong and fails to take advantage when things go better than expected. He just missed what might be his last opportunity for a DL win.
No way he would have been able to hold Ndiku and Edris off taking the lead on the backstretch. Following closely and then kicking hard the last 100 was his best shot. Rupp's tactics were near perfect this race, he just didn't have the closing speed.
I for one am shocked, SHOCKED that Rupp ran somewhere between 13-13:10. I never saw that coming.OK, I got that sarcasm out of my system. In seriousness. I wonder if Rupp's closing speed is slowly eroding. In the 2011 Birmingham 5000M DL race Rupp closed in under 55 seconds at a similar pace and similar tactics. Moreover, has Rupp run a sub 55 second lap at anytime in the past 2 years? I can't recall that he has. Meanwhile he is not getting any younger and top end speed is generally the first thing to go with age.
Sledge wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:Rupp should have won that race. He had it in the bag on the backstretch but he held back instead of seizing control.
He always seems to stick to a preset game plan. He gives up when things go wrong and fails to take advantage when things go better than expected. He just missed what might be his last opportunity for a DL win.
No way he would have been able to hold Ndiku and Edris off taking the lead on the backstretch. Following closely and then kicking hard the last 100 was his best shot. Rupp's tactics were near perfect this race, he just didn't have the closing speed.
Another day, another mediocre finish.
This guy gets less done with million$ than other do on a shoestring.
Ryan Foreman wrote:
I for one am shocked, SHOCKED that Rupp ran somewhere between 13-13:10. I never saw that coming.
OK, I got that sarcasm out of my system.
In seriousness. I wonder if Rupp's closing speed is slowly eroding. In the 2011 Birmingham 5000M DL race Rupp closed in under 55 seconds at a similar pace and similar tactics.
Moreover, has Rupp run a sub 55 second lap at anytime in the past 2 years? I can't recall that he has. Meanwhile he is not getting any younger and top end speed is generally the first thing to go with age.
Sledge wrote:No way he would have been able to hold Ndiku and Edris off taking the lead on the backstretch. Following closely and then kicking hard the last 100 was his best shot. Rupp's tactics were near perfect this race, he just didn't have the closing speed.
What's weird is that I haven't seen anyone close exceptionally well this year. Wasn't the fastest last lap a 53-high in Glasgow? And that was a 13:10 race. I mean, Gebremeskel almost ran that fast in a 12:46 race, and Farah pulled out a faster last lap in his PR race.
nobody is closing super fast this year because nobody is trying to outkick farah for a world title this year, so everybody should be in time trial shape, not kicking shape. but there was only one fastish race this year
I don't understand why everyone is bashing Rupp. He looked great tactically, and had a good chance to win with 100m to go. I was really impressed by his race, and am really impressed by how far he has come.
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:
Another day, another mediocre finish.
This guy gets less done with million$ than other do on a shoestring.
Your stupidity is breathtaking.
reed wrote:
nobody is closing super fast this year because nobody is trying to outkick farah for a world title this year, so everybody should be in time trial shape, not kicking shape. but there was only one fastish race this year
Maybe, but they were running faster times when they were in "kicking shape." You would have to go back to 2002 to find a slower world leading time.
boxcar willie wrote:
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:Another day, another mediocre finish.
This guy gets less done with million$ than other do on a shoestring.
Your stupidity is breathtaking.
He is a known troll. I think he even admitted it on here somewhere. I don't know why people keep taking his bait.
That makes sense. But I guess I thought Rupp had a well established base of speed that would be there even if his closing speed wasn't a priority in training. After all, I recall Rupp closing in about 52 seconds clear back to his senior year at Oregon. It was off of a ridiculously slow pace at a shorter distance. He was virtually running the last lap fresh. But the speed was there. At this point in his career I thought he could close in sub 55 in this race given the way it played out and the tactics he used. Assuming age had not eroded his speed. But probably the newborns took a toll on him physically.
reed wrote:
nobody is closing super fast this year because nobody is trying to outkick farah for a world title this year, so everybody should be in time trial shape, not kicking shape. but there was only one fastish race this year
marcar19 wrote:
boxcar willie wrote:Your stupidity is breathtaking.
He is a known troll. I think he even admitted it on here somewhere. I don't know why people keep taking his bait.
And yet if you search his name, you'll find that's he's posted hundreds of times about how much he hates Rupp and NOP. At that point it's not a troll, it's an obsession.
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:
Another day, another mediocre finish.
This guy gets less done with million$ than other do on a shoestring.
Given unlimited resources, what American-born runner do you think is currently capable of training to a better level in the 5000m than Rupp?
Perspectivation wrote:
Star wrote:It will be interesting to see where Rupp ranks on the year.
Another top 4 finish.
Interesting event to rank since nobody clearly earned top spot with so many different winners and some of the winners having at least one really off race. I think it leans to Ndiku though. Rupp was certainly consistent. Too bad he couldn't hold on to second today. To bad we don't have Bekele anymore chasing a fast time....
It's crazy.
The top 3 on the list all had bad races in Paris.
Edris was 8th, Longowisa was 5th and Ndiku was 7th.
Soi won Paris but had three 5th place finishes (Stockholm, Oslo and Shanghai).
Alamirew was the most consistent finishing 1st or 2nd in all of his races but didn't run Stockholm so only had the 5th best time in the world.
Tanui was 3rd in Paris but 9th in Zurich
Then Rupp finished either 3rd or 4th in the 4 major races he ran so he was the second most consistent on the year.
I agree on leaning towards Ndiku for #1.
Outside of the bad race in Paris he won Pre and Zurich and also the Commonwealth Games over other contenders for #1.
But where does Rupp fit?
ryan foreman wrote:
That makes sense. But I guess I thought Rupp had a well established base of speed that would be there even if his closing speed wasn't a priority in training. After all, I recall Rupp closing in about 52 seconds clear back to his senior year at Oregon. It was off of a ridiculously slow pace at a shorter distance. He was virtually running the last lap fresh. But the speed was there.
At this point in his career I thought he could close in sub 55 in this race given the way it played out and the tactics he used. Assuming age had not eroded his speed.
But probably the newborns took a toll on him physically.
reed wrote:nobody is closing super fast this year because nobody is trying to outkick farah for a world title this year, so everybody should be in time trial shape, not kicking shape. but there was only one fastish race this year
To be honest , I think he was very well peaked for his american 10K record , I don't think that left him with 5k specific racing speed that we see happening this last part of the season. Next year will be interesting to see what he focuses on for the world champs , or if he chooses to compete in the 5 and 10 ?
Ryan Foreman wrote:
has Rupp run a sub 55 second lap at anytime in the past 2 years? I can't recall that he has. Meanwhile he is not getting any younger and top end speed is generally the first thing to go with age.
Marathon time.
Finally.
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:
All the signs are there:
- Knowledge that he can't win.
- Stagnant 5000 times for years, not getting better this season.
- Quitter mentality.
Does anyone want to set odds on this near-certain DNS?
If someone asked you to predict DNS or not for this race, and if you are wrong you will be killed, would you honestly predict he starts? I wouldn't.
IF he actually starts, we will have more results to show his ceiling is firmly slower than 62.0 seconds per lap for 5000. Atrocious for a supposedly true elite distance runner. Go to the marathon already!
I marked your words and you were wrong. Now go away.
Would some of you people quit getting hung up on time. There were a ton of sub 13 people in this race. The early paced showed that it wasn't going to happen today, but a great finish and a great result for Rupp behind 2 great runners who he both beat earlier this year in Rome.
That's the problem and I think it's probably just the younger, less track knowledgeable guys on the MB.
The "race" has been lost. I don't care about time, I care about the race.
Many good races are won in a slowish time.
I watched Boston, Rotterdam, London, and other marathons on
Universal. Boston was the most exciting. It was a race not a time trial.
These track races have been real races- time is irrelevant. That said, Rupp doesn't seem to have the kick needed to win a 5000. He was in it almost every race.
10,000- yes. Marathon? I think so.
runn wrote:
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:All the signs are there:
- Knowledge that he can't win.
- Stagnant 5000 times for years, not getting better this season.
- Quitter mentality.
Does anyone want to set odds on this near-certain DNS?
If someone asked you to predict DNS or not for this race, and if you are wrong you will be killed, would you honestly predict he starts? I wouldn't.
IF he actually starts, we will have more results to show his ceiling is firmly slower than 62.0 seconds per lap for 5000. Atrocious for a supposedly true elite distance runner. Go to the marathon already!
I marked your words and you were wrong. Now go away.
Agreed. RCS, you are the most clueless poster on this board...and no I'm not kidding. I've run 30:13 for 10k on the roads and am pretty sure that I know more about running than you, AND I'd never make such a stupid post in an attempt to gain the approval of others. You're a nutjob.