Anyone else run PBs (at 1500) like this???

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9 years ago 06/24/2014 5:29pm EDT

My PBs have all been run with stupid last lap times, so does anyone else always run their last lap much faster than the average lap times:

My progression this season, with lap times:

4:22 - through 800 in 2:18, then slowed...

4:35 - through 800 in 2:34, bell in 3:32, last lap 63

4:19 - through 800 in 2:24, bell in 3:16, last lap 63

4:10 - through 800 in 2:17, bell in 3:06, last lap 64

4:12 - through 800 in 2:14ish, bell in 3:06, last lap 66 (i.e. faded off a good pace)

4:08 - through 800 in 2:15, bell in 3:07, last lap 61 (WTF!!!)

So, anyone else run PBs with a last lap fast?

9 years ago 06/24/2014 5:40pm EDT

re: true brit

Pretty much every elite 1500m runner?

9 years ago 06/24/2014 5:44pm EDT

re: true brit

true brit wrote:
4:08 - through 800 in 2:15, bell in 3:07, last lap 61 (WTF!!!)
So, anyone else run PBs with a last lap fast?

Yes? Obviously?

I don't see what is WTF about that??

9 years ago 06/24/2014 5:46pm EDT

re: true brit

I don't get what's special about this.

9 years ago 06/24/2014 6:00pm EDT

re: Le Foot

From reading letsrun, I've always thought that even pace was the way to go. And the 61 was "WTF" because it was unexpected, not because it didn't make mathematical sense (it obviously did)...

9 years ago 06/24/2014 6:35pm EDT

re: true brit

Try going out faster. Get to 800 at 2:10.

9 years ago 06/24/2014 10:22pm EDT

re: true brit

I think some people are reading those as 1600 times, which would make those last laps seem a little more realistic. Closing a 4:19 1500 with a 63, in a non-tactical setting, is an inefficiently paced race.

You clearly need to learn how to push yourself for the entire race. You would run a lot faster if you can figure out how to run a more consistent pace for the full 3 3/4 laps. Shifting from 67/68 pace down to 61 is a clear indicator that you have too much in the tank. Running consistent 65's the whole way would give you roughly a 4:04, and based on the way you ran your 4:08, that is well within your abilities.

9 years ago 06/24/2014 10:23pm EDT

re: true brit

even splits are the way to go for best times. Well, even splits and then a bit faster for the last lap considering a kick in the end. It takes time as a runner to be able to hone that even pace in from the start of a race.

9 years ago 06/25/2014 4:27am EDT

re: no way

What about

62, 68, 69, 64 = 4:23 1600m

That was my high school best. What is that worth with even splits?

9 years ago 06/25/2014 5:12am EDT

re: Deep Insights

Deep Insights wrote:
Try going out faster. Get to 800 at 2:10.

I ran the last 800 in 2:10, but going out in 2:10 just doesn't sound right... My PB last year was 2:11 for 800.

I suppose I'll have to try it though, and its not the end of the world if I fall off the pace. If it works I'll hopefully get a good time!

Thanks for all the replies!

9 years ago 06/25/2014 5:54am EDT

re: true brit

What is your first 400? Your last race looks well paced if your first 800 was even.

9 years ago 06/25/2014 7:00am EDT

re: q1

q1 wrote:
What is your first 400? Your last race looks well paced if your first 800 was even.

The splits were:

400 - 67

800 - 2:15 (67/68)

bell - 3:07 (52 - 300)

finish - 4:08 (61)

9 years ago 06/25/2014 7:17am EDT

re: true brit

Also, as a sort of spin-off to this thread, what do you guys think I could run for 400 and 800 from these races?

The only real speed work I've done has been unmeasured and untimed, but I've closed a big session of 6x200s off 30s (30/31s), 800 jog, 6x400 off 1:00 (65-68s), and 4x200 off 30s (30/31s) with a 28.03 200 (last of the final 4)...

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