OFFICIAL Athletics/T&F WR Thread

Genzebe could be a legitimate superstar, she so talented and such a breathtaking beauty. Even through the language barrier she already has a lot of fans and really hasn't done anything of note outdoor yet.

I would like to see her do it. In fact after what she did indoor I thought this could be the year. She is immensely talented, but also very inconsistent and isn't as tenacious a competitor as her sister.

She needs to get in these races with Aregawi and Obiri so they can push each other to faster times, the way Coe and Ovett and Cram used to do way back when.

That indoor mile record is weak. Eamon Coghlan ran 3.49 in 1983, amazingly Coghlan mile pr was indoors and was the fastest mile run in America till 2007, Daniel Komen beat it. Could be a target for Rupp.

They are all very young and very talented. I think Aregawi is the best, but she only runs the 1500. Obiri is hot now, see if she can maintain. Mercy Cherono is also very talented. Genzebe has a few records in her sight that she will probably get within the next few weeks. 2 mil outdoor, 2K, rarely run races, should be easy for her. To get the big ones is going to take some planning.

Genzebe broke all her indoor records earlier this year in Feb (all within a two week span). She broke indoor 1500, 3K and 2 mile. He indoor 3K is faster than all 3K times other than the Chinese times in '97

Flo Jo's 10.49 is the most ridiculous WR in the books. Both steroid and wind aided. Koch (400) and Krachtochvilova (800) were both major dopers. I believe the clean records for those two events are Marie Jose Perec (400) and Ana Quirot (800).

Loot wrote:

Genzebe could be a legitimate superstar, she so talented and such a breathtaking beauty. Even through the language barrier she already has a lot of fans and really hasn't done anything of note outdoor yet.

I would like to see her do it. In fact after what she did indoor I thought this could be the year. She is immensely talented, but also very inconsistent and isn't as tenacious a competitor as her sister.

She needs to get in these races with Aregawi and Obiri so they can push each other to faster times, the way Coe and Ovett and Cram used to do way back when.

Agreed on all counts. I wonder how much these African superstars think about WRs and other stats. Is everyone as time-obsessed as American track fans are? The clock and times in general are why I love track and field more than any other sport.

People should go after the 2-mile WRs more often. G. Dibaba almost got the all-time 2-mile record with her indoor WR. I bet she could go close to 8:50 outdoors. Daniel Komen's 7:58(s) are nuts. I can't believe he's the only guy to get under 8:00. I didn't think it was possible. Even Bekele and Haile couldn't do it. I bet Guerrouj in his prime could've gotten damn close.

I wish more people would go after the 1,000/2,000/3,000M WRs. Which do you think is the craziest out of those? Probably 3K on both counts for men and women (with 8:06 being one of the most impressive WRs out there).

This had me thinking of runners with great range who could compete at these distances:

Haile (3:31 1500/7:25 3K and 8:01 2-mile/12:39 5K/26:22 10K/2:03:59 marathon)

Mo Farah (3:28 [!], plus low 12:50s and 26:4X, and a decent marathon time)

Bekele (12:37, 26:17, 8:04 2-mile and 7:25 [?] 3K, and a 3:31 1500 [?])

El Guerrouj (3:26/3:43, 4:44 2K, 8:06 2 mile [?] and 7:23 3K, plus a great 12:50 5K past his prime)

Noah Ngeny (1:44, 2:11 1,000M, 3:43 and I assume a 3:26/7 1500?)

Daniel Komen (3:29 and 3:47 mile [?], 12:39, 7:20 WR, and only man under eight minutes for two miles)

In terms of modern talent across the board, Haile is #1 (he also has the one hour and 20,000M WRs, I believe), with Komen coming soon after for the mile to 5K range. Bekele might be #2 if he continues kicking ass at the marathon.

Back in the day, there were obviously guys like Zatopek who killed many distances. What person do you guys think has the greatest range?

Sounds to me as if the main dialogue in this thread is Ventolin talking to various versions of himself!

What was Gerhardt Hohne's Jav distance with the old implement.

This DDR athlete was ruined by a botched back operation in the DDR.

GoldenMiles wrote:

Loot wrote:

Cuban Ivan Pedroso broke Powell's WR in 1995. He jumped a 8.96 with a +1.2 legal wind. The Italian federation didn't submit the mark for WR ratification because they claim someone was standing near the anemometer and may have altered the reading. Total BS if you ask me. Many suspected that they didn't want to give the huge WR bonus to Castro's regime.

Interesting. If I were Pedroso, I would've been furious and sued the Italian federation. I see that Powell has a wind-aided and altitude-aided 8.99. Nuts!

It takes a dope to make a stupid statement like that. Shoot yourself.

What WRs do you guys think'll be the next WRs broken this or in the next few years? Men's 800M, due to Rudisha's return, along with a bunch of young guys chasing his tail (Nijel Amos and Mo Aman)? Aregawi and Dibaba chasing the 1500, or Dibaba and Obiri the 2/3K? What about Kirani and maybe LaShawn scaring the low-43 club?

vincent44 wrote:

What was Gerhardt Hohne's Jav distance with the old implement.

This DDR athlete was ruined by a botched back operation in the DDR.

It was 104 meters, almost a FULL 5 METERS beyond the next best javelin. Has anyone ever calculated what that would convert to with the new javelin, against Zelezny's records?

said88 wrote:

GoldenMiles wrote:

Interesting. If I were Pedroso, I would've been furious and sued the Italian federation. I see that Powell has a wind-aided and altitude-aided 8.99. Nuts!

http://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/04/sports/04iht-track.t_1.html

Very frustrating to read that article. I like that the Italian federation head said "I had a feeling" that there were issues with the guy blocking the wind reader. A person merely saying that is enough to nullify a WR? Did they ever launch the investigation promised after the World Championships that year? Did they ever review other videos, which were surely taken?

On another note, what's up with the long jump these days? How come no one has jumped over 8.6M since 2009, much less close to. 8.8/9? Is there a lack of interest in field events? Are the WRs considered untouchable. Because I'm a distance runner, I never thought much about field events, but I'm trying to get more into athletics as a total sports event, with it's many sub-sports, from race-walking to triple-jumping to ten mile road-running.

GoldenMiles wrote:

What WRs do you guys think'll be the next WRs broken this or in the next few years? Men's 800M, due to Rudisha's return, along with a bunch of young guys chasing his tail (Nijel Amos and Mo Aman)? Aregawi and Dibaba chasing the 1500, or Dibaba and Obiri the 2/3K? What about Kirani and maybe LaShawn scaring the low-43 club?

Men's HJ is history within a matter of weeks. Men's marathon will keep getting lowered. Rudisha could lower 800 and Bolt could lower any of his, but not this year, maybe next, definitely should both be in that form in '16. Lavillenie could break Bubka outdoor.

Women's 110h is going to be lowered by Brianna Rollins or Sally Pearson some time soon. G. Dibaba will break the 2K and 2 mile outdoor for certain, and maybe her or Obiri can torch the 3K this year.

Women's LJ could go, Tianna Bartoletta has the ability to break that one. She has enormous talent in that event, but doesn't often do it, mostly sprints.

I'd love to see Aregawi and Genzebe shatter the 1500. That would be so awesome and great for the sport. Maybe near the end of Diamond League they will go for it. They both have the speed for sure.

Genzebe runs the 2K tomorrow in Ostrava. She will break that WR, I'm certain.

Loot wrote:

Blake is a great sprinter, but he doesn't have the stride length necessary to run that fast. Bolt's advantage is he has the quickness and coordination of Blake, but eats up more track.

Huh?

What part of 19.26 (.27 RT) do you not understand.

The 200 is possibly the most vulnerable record on the track, rivaled by the 800 (Amos this year or Rudy 2015).

400 won't be touched soon. Asbel will not run 3:25. 3000, 5000, 10000 are all stratospheric.

I can't believe nobody has mentioned Cherono/Shaheen's 7:53 steeple!! The big boys Kipruto and Koech have come close but with lots of well-paced shots still haven't done it. And now they seem to be getting old with no obvious replacements. Vent, where does a 7:53 steeple fall in your reckonings.

Loot wrote:

Zelezny was on another level. If he were born in America he would have been recruited as a quarterback.

Agreed with the former, not the later. That is an incredibly narrow (and incorrect) view of the skillset required to be a QB.

Thanks for the response. Not a bad couple of years for track coming up! Wish more men were close to the distance records.

A Suck wrote:

Loot wrote:

Blake is a great sprinter, but he doesn't have the stride length necessary to run that fast. Bolt's advantage is he has the quickness and coordination of Blake, but eats up more track.

Huh?

What part of 19.26 (.27 RT) do you not understand.

The 200 is possibly the most vulnerable record on the track, rivaled by the 800 (Amos this year or Rudy 2015).

400 won't be touched soon. Asbel will not run 3:25. 3000, 5000, 10000 are all stratospheric.

I can't believe nobody has mentioned Cherono/Shaheen's 7:53 steeple!! The big boys Kipruto and Koech have come close but with lots of well-paced shots still haven't done it. And now they seem to be getting old with no obvious replacements. Vent, where does a 7:53 steeple fall in your reckonings.

I'm also very curious to see where people rank the steeplechase record in comparison to other WRs.

no

eh ???

where did you conclude that ???

learn to read or look at those tables

26'17 is far weaker than 800 - 5k

even 26'10 is weaker than some of those wrs

whatever the merits of the kennster, it doesn't alter the fact 26'17 is weakest of all the records 800 & up

what part of "extinct" event you not comprehend ???

if the 10k was run as frequently as the 800 or 1500 on elite circuit with best guys, meaning all road guys only allowed to run 10k, this wr woud be around 26-flat

i'm dealing with absolute numbers according to maths

maths says 26'17 is a weak wr = ~

9.84 = 19.68 = 43.86 = 1'41.72 = 2'11.17 = 3'27.73 = 4'44.53 = 7'21.06 = 12'40.00

a minority event

the best throwing talent are chucking 100mph fastballs or 70 yard touch down passes