Could Jordan Hasay be the next Galen Rupp?

Is 10x200 at 30sec supposed to be something to be excited about? I can pull in 5-10 athlete with that "speed"/"endurance" any day of the week.

Really, and they're all 15 years old? He wasn't asked to run full out in those tests, who knows what his limits were back then. Fact is, Rupp's 100m time is faster than Mos, whereas Hasay's finish is no where near the best runners in the world.

Hasay has been running/racing hard since at least 9th grade and has great endurance, but little pop. Training only goes so far, genetics plays a big part and she just doesn't seem to have that natural gear shifting ability to really blast out of a pack (like double cancer survivor Grunewald blowing her and the entire field away at indoors). She spent the bulk of her college days specializing in 1500m where speed is much more important than then 10, but she still had to move up in distance due to lack of speed. I'm looking forward to seeing her try the marathon, but Salazar's slow steady approach will probably postpone that till she's 28-30, if she stays that long with him.

Methinks wrote:

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Hasay has been running/racing hard since at least 9th grade ...

actually at least from 6th grade! I saw her on dyestat well before high school!

Stupid Belligerent Drunk wrote:

Methinks wrote:

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Hasay has been running/racing hard since at least 9th grade ...

actually at least from 6th grade! I saw her on dyestat well before high school!

On her website she said she's been running since 4th grade in her most recent post.

considering there are 3 high school girls right now(cain, cranny, efraimson) who could beat hasay on any given day from 1500-5k i'll say no. those 3 are younger and have steeper improvement curves than hasay. she's a good runner but will never break any american records or win medals.

I'd rather see her become the next Suzy Favor.

Shhhhh wrote:

The 57 is impressive. It shows how successful Sal is at developing speed.

Still, Rupp stood out because he was a 9th grade soccer player who did no training for running but could run 10x200 all under 30. He's a monster at speed.

Most of the messages here mean little. She may have seemed max raced at Oregon, but you have no idea how undertrained the Powell's may have kept her to protect her future.

The Powell's are very, very careful not to over train their athletes.

A Duck wrote:

Shhhhh wrote:

The 57 is impressive. It shows how successful Sal is at developing speed.

Still, Rupp stood out because he was a 9th grade soccer player who did no training for running but could run 10x200 all under 30. He's a monster at speed.

Most of the messages here mean little. She may have seemed max raced at Oregon, but you have no idea how undertrained the Powell's may have kept her to protect her future.

The Powell's are very, very careful not to over train their athletes.

I hope you're right. Jordan is such a great person, I'd really like to see her do well. And I hope she stays away from the drugs. The clean athletes legitimately hate the NOP!

I like the idea behind the poster who mentioned she's working on her weaknesses during indoor. I think that plays well to the "next Galen Rupp" theory.

Salazar clearly doesn't want to hammer his athletes for short term glory. Olympic and WC medals has always been the goal, and I think he's learned from his own injury history. If she stays healthy and continues to improvements, I think there is a reasonable chance that she's in contention in the 10k or marathon. And really, I think the 2020 Olympics is where Salazar has her aiming for a Rupp-type breakthrough.

better to have the problem of figuring out how to put it all together than to not have the problem at all (ie she can't crack 60s for 400m with a rocket tied to her back). if there is any coach who has demonstrated the ability to put together the total package (RUPP), it is Al. i think he will have Hasay running REALLY well in 4-5 years. BTW great post NotAustin.

Hoosier daddy wrote:

She says she can run a 57 sec 400m. That's fine, but how many of those can she string together? Girl can run all day, but she cannot run fast all day.

CycloneAlum wrote:

Is 10x200 at 30sec supposed to be something to be excited about? I can pull in 5-10 athlete with that "speed"/"endurance" any day of the week.

Obviously Rupp was the only 9th grade boy on the team who could do it, so it must mean something. Breaking 9:00 in the 3200 his very first season of track also meant he had good strength natural strength and endurance.

Rowbury gained 14 seconds during the last 800 Saturday. Hasay will have a career similar to Sara Hall.

Jordan probably would have ran mid to high 920s had she paced herself a little better but she instead went out on American record pace. The one thing you have to respect about Jordan is she is a fearless competitor and not afraid to really push her limits and chase records. She has stated her races haven't yet to show case how fit she really is from what she is able to do it workouts. That may be part of the reason she does go out as fast as she does. Even with her workouts not translating in her races she is still set PRs which she had struggled with during college so she's in a good position and when those workouts start translating to her races she is in for a major breakthrough.

In less than a year, since joining NOP, Hasay has had 10 personal bests in races from the 800 up to the 10K. That's freakin nuts! I believe every race she has ran this past year has been a PR. Wish I could do that!

baby-faced destroyer wrote:

BTW great post NotAustin.

Thanks dude!

So she can run a 57, thats 10 seconds off WR pace. Galen can run 48 in a workout so that is 5 seconds off which is why he has a silver medal. 57 is decent but its comparable to a 51 for a guy.

If Jordan Hasay was Australian, she'd be the fastest woman in Australia. LOL

Reality check time wrote:

So she can run a 57, thats 10 seconds off WR pace. Galen can run 48 in a workout so that is 5 seconds off which is why he has a silver medal. 57 is decent but its comparable to a 51 for a guy.

Galen's fastest 400 was 50. Both are an equal percentage from their respective world records. Keep trying.

Maybe someone should commission Phoebe Wright to provide us a photo of what that would look like.

baby-faced destroyer wrote:

better to have the problem of figuring out how to put it all together than to not have the problem at all (ie she can't crack 60s for 400m with a rocket tied to her back).

if there is any coach who has demonstrated the ability to put together the total package (RUPP), it is Al. i think he will have Hasay running REALLY well in 4-5 years.

BTW great post NotAustin.

Hoosier daddy wrote:

She says she can run a 57 sec 400m. That's fine, but how many of those can she string together? Girl can run all day, but she cannot run fast all day.

We agree to disagree. If I'm still around in 3 years we should dig up this thread and see what she's doing. Let me be clear...I wish her the best and hope she does something special at a world level. I think she was a precocious HS runner who showed incredible talent early and didn't progress the way everyone had predicted. I think we were all envisioning Oly medals from her and I doubt that will happen. She's an outstanding runner but she lacks the speed to be a world class athlete (as in medaling at the world level).