the only perfect experiment that will FINALLY END the gun debate

end the debate wrote:

it will probably be about 2040 or 2050 until America is finally intelligent enough to ban all gunpowder weapons like a simple revolver.

Based upon all your spelling/grammar errors, it will take a lot longer than that before you are intelligent enough to compose a post.

The disarming process of such an experiment would be the spark to a revolution. Maybe we should put our energy towards statistically significant problems that can be solved much more easily. Why are cigarettes still legal and why are we subsidizing the sugar industry?

The perfect experiment would be for >>you

What a about bullets. Ban those too?

I study such things. There are far fewer gun homicides in the US per year than there are deaths by bacon cheeseburger.

Our supermarkets and restaurants are far deadlier than the gun counter at the sporting goods store. Vegan menus in schools would change America in dramatic ways.

I can't stand this stupid debate. I live in Texas, and on one side there are the radical gun toters, who want to shoot Obama, and on the other side there are the bleeding hearts, who want to villanize everything in the world that causes a death. I hate to side with the radicals, but in this I must. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Look at China, where firearms are illegal. Do they still have homicides? Yes. Of course they do. Let me keep my damn rifle for hunting and sport shooting, and I'll promise not to shoot you.

I do like the comment of changing school food though. That would definitely be a positive change for America

A better plan would be to make the sale of NEW handguns, assault rifles, etc, illegal. Only new sales of shotguns, hunting rifles, etc. Sale of any existing handguns would have to go through an approved dealer. All guns confiscated by law enforcement to be destroyed.

Over time, the supply of handguns would shrink. This would cause their value to rise considerably. No longer easy to get a cheap gun to use in a crime. Eventually they would cost many thousands of dollars. They would not be illegal, you could still own one. No one ever said they had to be cheap or easy to buy.

Only problem with this, is there are still so many ways to get weapons on the street. And all confiscated guns are destroyed after being used for evidence.

The stupid thing to me, is do you really think the law matters to a criminal? That, if hand guns are illegal to buy from someone other than an approved dealer, who I cant buy from since I'm a felon, oh well. Guess I wont buy one...

No. I'd get the stupid weapon illegally, just as Im about to commit an illegal crime. Laws don't change or stop human nature

better plan wrote:

A better plan would be to make the sale of NEW handguns, assault rifles, etc, illegal. Only new sales of shotguns, hunting rifles, etc. Sale of any existing handguns would have to go through an approved dealer. All guns confiscated by law enforcement to be destroyed.

Over time, the supply of handguns would shrink. This would cause their value to rise considerably. No longer easy to get a cheap gun to use in a crime. Eventually they would cost many thousands of dollars. They would not be illegal, you could still own one. No one ever said they had to be cheap or easy to buy.

I guess you are thinking that criminals will not steal guns. I also guess that poor people will then not be able to protect themselves, only the wealthy will be able to do so.

Silly.

end the debate wrote:

end the debate

You know the best way to end the debate? Stop debating about it and let the stupid law be as it is.

There is no 'debate' over guns—the leftists want to take our rights away, period.

The answer to the question of whether Americans should be allowed to own guns does not come down to statistics. Even if it could be shown that places with gun control statistically have lower homicide rates, I still am 100% in favor of gun rights. The right to bear arms is a moral right, which, along with things like free speech and freedom from arbitrary search and seizure (also under attack from the left as well as the Republicans), is part of the foundation of a free society, and part of what once made America a safe place to live.

Cool, while you're experimenting here's a few other things you (and Obama) would like to do.

Ban jury trials for 5 years.

Ban religion for 5 years.

Ban freedom of the press for 5 years. (Obama is workning on this already)

Ban the right to peaceably assemble for 5 years.

Ban unreasonable searches for 5 years (Obama is already working on that)

Ban States rights for 5 years.

Ban the 12th amendment, allowing Obama to appoint himself dictator for 5 years. (Obama really wants this one badly)

Alter to 15th and 17th amendments, allowing illegal aliens and deceased people to vote for 5 years.

Ban Congress for 5 years, meaning the President gets to write laws and enforce them however he pleases. (Obama is already doing that)

Just add bullets to the list of products (cigarettes, alcohol) on the "health" or "sin" tax list. There is an obvious health care cost we all bear for their use, so let the users assume more of the cost.

This is quite a thread. The paranoia about what "Leftists" and Obama allegedly want to do is delusional and unwarranted on any factual basis, but hey, have fun feeling persecuted!

homosides? You are the poster child for pro-nanny state morons clamoring for your own enslavement.. We're doomed because there are at least 60M of you in the US & your disease is spreading.

Confident ignorance is almost impossible to beat, unfortunately.

What debate?

There are well over one hundred million guns in the United States currently. What do you propose to do about those existing guns during this ban?

HonestThief wrote:

Only problem with this, is there are still so many ways to get weapons on the street. And all confiscated guns are destroyed after being used for evidence.

The stupid thing to me, is do you really think the law matters to a criminal? That, if hand guns are illegal to buy from someone other than an approved dealer, who I cant buy from since I'm a felon, oh well. Guess I wont buy one...

No. I'd get the stupid weapon illegally, just as Im about to commit an illegal crime. Laws don't change or stop human nature

Right, but if their price became 100x what it currently is, most small-time criminals (the kind you might actually worry about seeing on the street, not the ones only found deep within crime circles) would not be able to afford one. The black market price would be astronomical.

What's needed is legislation ensuring greater gun controls, this would be totally practical, it would not infringe on people's freedoms, in fact it's just plain old common sense.

At present it is obviously too goddamn easy for any deranged individual to be able to go out and procure guns which they can shoot people dead with. Obviously this isn't a good situation. It needs to be changed, otherwise, innocent people will keep on dying in these hideous situations.

Said legislation would not affect responsible people with a legitimate reason for owning a gun.