Holy Sh**: Obiri 8:20

fastest outdoor time ever not in China.

Bad Wigins wrote:

fastest outdoor time ever not in China.

I was thinking the same thing. This run is likely the world record if we exclude obvious drug cheats. I don't view all Chinese times as doped, but I do view all 1993 Chinese times as doped.

Hellen Obiri always a fighter even in races she doesn't win. And yes, I too see this as the world record. Also show some love for that lovely cop Mercy Cherono who attacked first and flew past Dibaba taking Obiri with her.

aint ya wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

fastest outdoor time ever not in China.

I was thinking the same thing. This run is likely the world record if we exclude obvious drug cheats. I don't view all Chinese times as doped, but I do view all 1993 Chinese times as doped.

How do you know this isn't 1993 all over again?

8:30.00 was 8th place. What is the American record?

I doubt all of the Kenyans are doping.

If all the Chinese times from 1993 are removed, up intill today the 2 fastes times where run in the same race in 2002

Szabo 8:21.64

Radcliffe 8:22.20

The fastest Chinese time not in 1993 is 8:36.25 in 20000

http://www.alltime-athletics.com/w_3000ok.htm

There is that 8:16.60 that was run indoors this year

DaveyGuy wrote:

There is that 8:16.60 that was run indoors this year

By Dibaba.

It would be easier to believe that was clean if everyone else wasn't suddenly doing it too. Obiri and Cherono ran tactically today. They could have run 8:18.

That was a very bizarre race. It started so slowly and then surged. 10 PR's. Including Dibaba (outdoor). Dibaba cratered.

Obiri almost had her clothes ripped off by the drunk Kenyans, they broke down a wall barrier grabbing her.

It's going to be a very interesting 3K season now.

What's funny is Dibaba went up to 3K so she could avoid Aregawi at 1500 and win the Diamond League bonus. Now she has 5 girls ahead of her

DaveyGuy wrote:

If all the Chinese times from 1993 are removed, up intill today the 2 fastes times where run in the same race in 2002

Szabo 8:21.64

Radcliffe 8:22.20

The fastest Chinese time not in 1993 is 8:36.25 in 20000

Not related to the thread, but I never realized Radcliffe ran an 8:22 3k and 2:17 Marathon in the same year.

Holy Sh*t

this was a new WR tonight. She can run 8:16 with proper pacing.

yyy wrote:

this was a new WR tonight. She can run 8:16 with proper pacing.

I think there are 4 girls who can break the WR. Obiri, Cherono, Kipyegon and Dibaba. This is going to be the event of the year. This and men's HJ.

Bad Wigins wrote:It would be easier to believe that was clean if everyone else wasn't suddenly doing it too. Obiri and Cherono ran tactically today. They could have run 8:18.

you really don't have a clue

8'20 is a rubbish barrier to elites

it's only been unapproached because wabbits are usually sh!t ( even here, 1st one dropped out little more than 1k in ) & no one bothers to take pace & waits for last lap sprint

the top kenyan gals

( ethiopians currently lot better apart from vivian ) over 3k shoud be able to run 3'57/3'58 for 1500

( akin to mo-3'28 off 5k/10k training ) & good for 14'15/14'25 for 5k

( 5k races usually very poorly paced & again no one takes it up in 4th km ),

all simultaneously

3'58 / 14'25 ->8'20.8

3'58 / 14'20 ->8'19.1

3'58 / 14'15 ->8'17.3

3'57 / 14'25 ->8'20.0

3'57 / 14'20 ->8'18.2

3'57 / 14'15 ->8'16.5

i shouda posted these prior to race, but i expected diby to run anywhere between 8'10 - 8'15 with the kenyans somewhere back in < 8'25 & maybe even near 8'20 ( which turned out right ) but no one is interested after the lord mayor's show if the lord mayor has gone 8'10 - 8'15

my mistake

trust me, 8'20 is sh!t barrier

TAA wrote:

DaveyGuy wrote:

If all the Chinese times from 1993 are removed, up intill today the 2 fastes times where run in the same race in 2002

Szabo 8:21.64

Radcliffe 8:22.20

The fastest Chinese time not in 1993 is 8:36.25 in 20000

Not related to the thread, but I never realized Radcliffe ran an 8:22 3k and 2:17 Marathon in the same year.

Holy Sh*t

Paula also ran a 14:31 5K and ran the fastest non chinese 10K, in the rain with no pacers ,39:01, all in 2002

Paula ran 30:01, but yeah, the point is after training for the marathon she was aerobically at her potential at all distances. Lesson is, run huge mileage, as much as you can handle whenever you are in base training.

U S A record is 8:25 by Slaney in WC, Rome '85.

Mary's great 1,500 and 3,000 double.

DaveyGuy wrote:

The fastest Chinese time not in 1993 is 8:36.25 in 20000

in fact: 8:33,07

vincent 44 wrote:

U S A record is 8:25 by Slaney in WC, Rome '85.

Mary's great 1,500 and 3,000 double.

You better check this again...

worth noting the site here calculated that

priscah-queen-of-the-roads who won 1/2M in england late last year put in a

30'03 !!!

& kept going at that pace for another

1.1k !!!

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2013/09/priscah-jeptoo-uses-mid-race-434-mile-and-3003-10k-to-show-shes-queen-of-the-roads-and-defeat-defar-and-dibaba/

she probably couda run a track 10k that day of

29'30/29'40

she may legitimately claim to be the "real" 10k wr holder, the only problem being she has never bothered to run a track 10k !!!

& she wasn't even training for 10k !!!

mileage is important

weight-training is far more important - that's how genze claimed she got 3'55i/8'16i

( she can be offered a mulligan here - maybe still in hard training &/or slightly unwell )

ethiopians take weight-training far more seriously than kenyans

if the kenyan gals did, they wouda backed up pamela's 1'54-flat with

3'50s/8'05s/13'50s

the chinese wrs are not anything special

here is mathematical equivalence table for the distances : nothing at all to do with aring lists/physiology/etc, just a pure mathematical treatment of the numbers :

https://2008olympictrialsakatommyleonard.shutterfly.com/filecabinet

find

Ventolin worksheet

look at lines for

1'53.28

3'50.4x

8'06x

14'11x

29'31x

& learn what pure maths says the equivalent theoretical numbers shoud be...

vincent 44 wrote:

U S A record is 8:25 by Slaney in WC, Rome '85.

Mary's great 1,500 and 3,000 double.

you mean banned doper Mary Slaney.