I feel like it's an April fool's joke.
I feel like it's an April fool's joke.
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itrr7 wrote:In any case, sure, he wouldn't have gotten those admission results if he were white and had the same credentials; and he might not have gotten into any Ivies, were he Easian. But that's not his fault--don't hate the player, hate the game.
Yes, the Ivies increasingly look to mulattos and the children of African and Caribbean immigrants for the dark faces in their facebooks. This has been noticed for a decade or more. Those kids tend to come from upper-income families in which education is extraordinarily valued.
1. How do you know he wouldn't have gotten those admission results if he were white? . . . how do you know for sure?
I was involved in major-university admissions for more than twenty years, including at an Ivy. I actually know how it works, and I know that a white kid with 2250 and no *extraordinary* academic achievements would not have gone eight-for-eight in Ivy admissions. Sorry to intrude reality into your day.
(2) "Mulattos" ? It's a wonder you didn't also write negroes and orientals.
I regret that there is no other convenient brief term for kids with black and white parents. I've tried "black-and-white" and been criticized for it, and "mixed race" (like "Asian," which includes Arabs, Israelis, Siberians, etc.) is too broad. Please tell me what term you would suggest.
(3)"He will also have taken 11 Advanced Placement courses by the time he graduates this spring. He's a musician who sings in the school's a capella group and volunteers at Stony Brook University Hospital's radiology department. Enin plans to study medicine, as did both of his parents. They emigrated to New York from Ghana in the 1980s and studied at public colleges nearby. Both are nurses."
That is from USA today. If you read the rest of the article you will see he is actually an accomplished violinist - not a mediocre thrower.
But that's okay - keep on trying to belittle his accomplishments to make yourself feel better about what you and your kids have or have not done.
I did read the whole "USA Today" article, and others as well. If he were a genuinely *outstanding* musician, they'd have said so. He's still quite an accomplished young man--but at about the same level as thousands of East Asians (which I'm not, by the way) who are rejected from each Ivy in a given year.
Since you've gotten personal: I actually don't have to belittle anyone to feel good about what I've accomplished. A kid from a working-class high school in the middle of nowhere becomes a Presidential Scholar and is accepted into the (then) most exclusive academic program in the country...yeah, I don't have to belittle others to feel okay with what I did.
And I don't try to live through my kids, so I'm perfectly content with the choices they've made.
Bottom line, as I said above: don't hate the player, hate the game. This kid didn't make the rules, and I'm confident he'll do well at whatever school he picks. It's not a question of his "not belonging" there--lots of kids do (though only a small percentage get in). I just noted the simple reality: a white, and certainly an Easian, kid with identical stats wouldn't go eight-for-eight.
Great, since you were a actually involved in major college admissions including an IVY, I'm sure you can shed some light if you care to on the well-kept secret that legacies, celebrity-admits, wealthy people admits, 'rich people' sports, especially for women, etc. actually constitute a far larger number of admits than do black students. I'm sure you feel as strongly about 2200 SAT scoring lacrosse and squash players getting into HYP as you do about black children of immigrants, right?
With his grades,would GW Bush have been admitted to Harvard if he
were not white.White folks yak yak all the time about Affirmative action
but are conveniently silent about legacy preference.
With his grades,would GW Bush have been admitted to Harvard if he
were not white.White folks yak yak all the time about Affirmative action
but are conveniently silent about legacy preference.
Sounds like his life outside academia is every bit as impressive as his exam results. Maybe other kids aiming for Ivy should focus more on being well rounded individuals.
That's just a little convenient, given the context of the thread, to be even remotely credible.
ruggiero wrote:
classic - both parents are in medicine and he lives in a town with an average income of $82,000...yet he will score diversity points for a college.
good on him tho- sounds like a great person - seriously.
Haha I live a town away from Shirley. Trust me, it's not a nice place at all. The $82,000 probably comes from the people that live in the area that work at Brookhaven National Lab in Upton.
nope..... wrote:
Nope... Asians have it much harder than whites to get into schools, because they are an overrepresented group.
so you are saying asians are punished on an individual basis because they do well as a group?
that is illogical.
i still don't know why a meritocracy would not be the best system.
congratulations to the kid on getting a 2250 out of 2400 on his test, that is impressive regardless of ethnicity.
and the 4 year old mensa girl is amazing.
be happy for them.
douglas burke wrote:
so you are saying asians are punished on an individual basis because they do well as a group?
that is illogical.
i still don't know why a meritocracy would not be the best system.
To some extent a meritocracy promotes nepotism. It is easier to get good grades if you are from a privileged background. A kid who has had to work their ass off with self study to get decent grades may be better suited to college study than one who has had their hand held through their entire school life by expensive private tutors.
vetsinfthehouse11111 wrote:
I wouldn't consider this kid as a "real" Africian American. His name isn't Tyrone Williamson or Latisha Jordan.
Clever & intelligent response, very funny, well done. I'm sure your parents are proud of you.
mensa wrote:
Actually, here is a 4 year old black American girl who is a member of Mensa.
http://newsone.com/2649410/anala-beevers-mensa/The world's youngest member of MENSA is a black British girl who is two.
Too bad you do not know how to use google, K55, or you could be part of MENSA as well!
Anala Beevers. What a name.
wowzr wrote:
vetsinfthehouse11111 wrote:I wouldn't consider this kid as a "real" Africian American. His name isn't Tyrone Williamson or Latisha Jordan.
Clever & intelligent response, very funny, well done. I'm sure your parents are proud of you.
My parents are dead.
So what if he is not white?
I really don't care. Why should you?
I was a teacher, and when a student would say " I really don't ant to just be accepted to this school because I'm a __________"
I would tell them " anything to get yourself in. Don't be ashamed of who you are. Once you are in, you then have to be able to do the work."
How is this any different than some rich white kid getting into Harvard for 60 years now, because daddy has connections or is an alumni?
I say good for him, and he should be proud.
Fifer wrote:
I say good for him, and he should be proud.
Agreed. Diversity is enriching for everyone. I'm glad to be living in 21st century America with our culture of openness, diversity and innovation vs. stifling hierarchical power that characterized centuries past.
This is my question. Why did this kid publish the fact he got into all 8 ivies? I mean a kid from my school got in to all of them a few years ago and he didn't go running to the press.
aslan wrote:
This is my question. Why did this kid publish the fact he got into all 8 ivies? I mean a kid from my school got in to all of them a few years ago and he didn't go running to the press.
I didn't see anything, in the stories I read, indicating that this young man or his family initiated the press coverage. I strongly suspect that his high school trumpeted his admissions, and that other news outlets then picked up on it because, considering his race, it makes an interesting story.
Before reading the posts on this thread why did I know the jealous crackers here on letsrun would have something negative to say about this brother?
Damn shame!
Sally Vixxxens wrote:
itrr7 wrote:...considering his race, it makes an interesting story.
What does his race have to do with it?
People find the situation more interesting because a black guy is involved and it contradicts a common stereotype--y'know, the whole "man bites dog" definition of "news."
If the story had been about the daughter of Indian immigrants getting into all eight Ivy League colleges, I doubt that a similar thread would be on its fourth page.