his sat/act scores weren't perfect. many white kids with perfect scores cant even get into an ivy league school. if you think that him being black didn't play a part in this, you are strongly mistaken.
besides the state of texas, I have yet to see any schools give any scholarships to any outstanding Mexican students. they only award admittance and scholarships to the black kids because they think blacks and their ancestors have endured the most prejudice.
"Kwasi hasn't decided which college he'll attend. He's waiting to see what kind of financial aid he is offered."
Financial aid?[/quote]
Both of his parents are nurses. You think they should be able to pay full tuition at an IVY?
besides the state of texas, I have yet to see any schools give any scholarships to any outstanding Mexican students. they only award admittance and scholarships to the black kids because they think blacks and their ancestors have endured the most prejudice.[/quote]
Apparently you have not been looking too hard. Here are four pages worth for you, and this was only the first hit on my google search:
Maybe if a black person hadn't taken your college spot you could have learned how to conduct a goggle search.
phidipidippides wrote:
He's obviously very impressive, but on top of the fact that he comes from a well-off family, his African-sounding name makes me think he comes from a family of immigrants and so his ancestors would not have been subject to whatever was happening in this country 50 or 150 years ago.
You are right, he's a first generation American. I believe his parents emigrated from Ethiopia.
tryagain wrote:
besides the state of texas, I have yet to see any schools give any scholarships to any outstanding Mexican students. they only award admittance and scholarships to the black kids because they think blacks and their ancestors have endured the most prejudice.
Apparently you have not been looking too hard. Here are four pages worth for you, and this was only the first hit on my google search:
https://www.mycollegeoptions.org/D/0/LatinoHispanicChicano/search-results-scholarship-search-by-ethnicity.aspxMaybe if a black person hadn't taken your college spot you could have learned how to conduct a goggle search.[/quote]
I'm currently doing a goggle search for the right pair for my next triathlon. What do you think? Speedo or TYR?
this here wrote:
phidipidippides wrote:He's obviously very impressive, but on top of the fact that he comes from a well-off family, his African-sounding name makes me think he comes from a family of immigrants and so his ancestors would not have been subject to whatever was happening in this country 50 or 150 years ago.
You are right, he's a first generation American. I believe his parents emigrated from Ethiopia.
Ghana.
I note that some stories describe him as participating in track and field as a thrower. I'm not able to come up with any results for him, however. I doubt that Cornell sees him as the next plum addition to their throwing corps.
In any case, sure, he wouldn't have gotten those admission results if he were white and had the same credentials; and he might not have gotten into any Ivies, were he Easian. But that's not his fault--don't hate the player, hate the game.
Yes, the Ivies increasingly look to mulattos and the children of African and Caribbean immigrants for the dark faces in their facebooks. This has been noticed for a decade or more. Those kids tend to come from upper-income families in which education is extraordinarily valued.
If you check some of the Ivy teams' rosters, you'll see that a substantial number of black team members have African-sounding names--not just "Jamal"-type first names, but family names that take a minute to sound out. The Ivies love these kids, who tend to be more successful in college than their (progressively fewer) classmates who are the progeny of American slaves.
Track_Marathoner_the_real_1 wrote:
pretty impressive kid. The real question you are probably going for is given the same scores and similar background, if the kid were white with a general "white" name, would he have been accepted to all 8 ivies?
No.
The Ivies are filled with undeserving Jewish kids who get in not due to their scores, but on the basis of "other" qualities that are not quantified.
nyc runner wrote:
his sat/act scores weren't perfect. many white kids with perfect scores cant even get into an ivy league school. if you think that him being black didn't play a part in this, you are strongly mistaken.
It is possible, but you don't know that to be a fact. Schools don't ONLY look at grades and test scores. This kid was very involved in extra curriculars and the community which may have set him apart.
BTW, this 'he only got in because he was black' defense is getting really old. Can't a black person achieve something without being torn down by you losers.
"Can't a black person achieve something without being torn down by you losers"?
Sadly, the answer is mostly no, at least as things stand at present.
If a black person is, say, a member of Mensa [just an example, gang, I'm not a Mensa fan], you know that s/he got in on merit (to the extent that an IQ score qualifies as "merit").
But if s/he is accepted to an Ivy League undergraduate school, or a high-level professional school, the assumption--I'm very sad (for personal reasons) to say it--will be that s/he was accepted for reasons of race. And that assumption will, with only a few exceptions, be correct.
The sad thing is that the exceptions--and there *are* some, including my black classmate who was the smartest undergrad at my Ivy--will almost always bear the affirmative-action taint.
The presumption of someone's getting an in-by-skin admission, by the way, will be made not just by whites, but by people of color as well.
I saw a stat in Time magazine recently ....although ethnic Nigerians make up less than 1% of all blacks in the US, over 25% of blacks in Harvard business school are Nigerians/children of Nigerian immigrants. Nierians also make up a significant proportion of blacks at other Ivies/law/med schools.
itrr7 wrote:
I note that some stories describe him as participating in track and field as a thrower. I'm not able to come up with any results for him, however. I doubt that Cornell sees him as the next plum addition to their throwing corps.
In any case, sure, he wouldn't have gotten those admission results if he were white and had the same credentials; and he might not have gotten into any Ivies, were he Easian. But that's not his fault--don't hate the player, hate the game.
Yes, the Ivies increasingly look to mulattos and the children of African and Caribbean immigrants for the dark faces in their facebooks. This has been noticed for a decade or more. Those kids tend to come from upper-income families in which education is extraordinarily valued.
If you check some of the Ivy teams' rosters, you'll see that a substantial number of black team members have African-sounding names--not just "Jamal"-type first names, but family names that take a minute to sound out. The Ivies love these kids, who tend to be more successful in college than their (progressively fewer) classmates who are the progeny of American slaves.
itrr7 wrote:
In any case, sure, he wouldn't have gotten those admission results if he were white and had the same credentials; and he might not have gotten into any Ivies, were he Easian. But that's not his fault--don't hate the player, hate the game.
Yes, the Ivies increasingly look to mulattos and the children of African and Caribbean immigrants for the dark faces in their facebooks. This has been noticed for a decade or more. Those kids tend to come from upper-income families in which education is extraordinarily valued.
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1. How do you know he wouldn't have gotten those admission results if he were white? Do the children of 4th generation Harvard families with the same scores as that boy only get in because they are fourth generation? how do you know for sure? Do white lacrosse, squash, water polo and crew kids with identical or worse scores only get in because they participate in 'rich people' sports? do they not belong at the Ivies? Did George Bush deserve to get into Yale? Dick "I flunked out" Cheney? How'd all those guys get in? How many time did Robert Kennedy take the bar? Did he get into Brown and NYU on academic merit. Mediocre whites have been skating by admissions committees for decades because of the color of their skin (white), their gender (male) and because of the size of the daddies pocket books. If Billy and Tommy can no longer walk into the elite university of their choice with 100% impunity (probably down to about 85%), don't blame it on the some hard-working kid whose parents don't have a couple of graduate and professional degrees and who can't spend $25K a year on tutors, SAT prep and college consultants. Blame it on the hordes of kids whose parents use their money and influence to get them into elite colleges with promises of big donations or with threats of withholding future donations to their alma maters.
(2) "Mulattos" ? It's a wonder you didn't also write negroes and orientals.
(3)" He will also have taken 11 Advanced Placement courses by the time he graduates this spring. He's a musician who sings in the school's a capella group and volunteers at Stony Brook University Hospital's radiology department. Enin plans to study medicine, as did both of his parents. They emigrated to New York from Ghana in the 1980s and studied at public colleges nearby. Both are nurses."
That is from USA today. If you read the rest of the article you will see he is actually an accomplished violinist - not a mediocre thrower.
But that's okay - keep on trying to belittle his accomplishments to make yourself feel better about what you and your kids have or have not done.
Realism wrote:
I saw a stat in Time magazine recently ....although ethnic Nigerians make up less than 1% of all blacks in the US, over 25% of blacks in Harvard business school are Nigerians/children of Nigerian immigrants. Nierians also make up a significant proportion of blacks at other Ivies/law/med schools.
Right, now tell us the part about Cubans, Mormons, Jews, Iranians and Lebanese-Americans
All of those people arrived here with strong educational backgrounds, money or both. They mostly did not go through crap educational systems like those that exist in most inner-city schools in this country. You may also have seen that some NYC schools are 97% blk or latino. I bet the quality of the facilities and teaching in those schools is a lot like in the public schools of Scarsdale and Jericho, Manhasset, Cold Spring and Roslyn. Chua and her hubby's thesis is flawed. How are those Mormon women doing for themselves, by the way?
formerly present wrote:
"Can't a black person achieve something without being torn down by you losers"?
Sadly, the answer is mostly no, at least as things stand at present.
If a black person is, say, a member of Mensa [just an example, gang, I'm not a Mensa fan], you know that s/he got in on merit (to the extent that an IQ score qualifies as "merit").
But if s/he is accepted to an Ivy League undergraduate school, or a high-level professional school, the assumption--I'm very sad (for personal reasons) to say it--will be that s/he was accepted for reasons of race. And that assumption will, with only a few exceptions, be correct.
The sad thing is that the exceptions--and there *are* some, including my black classmate who was the smartest undergrad at my Ivy--will almost always bear the affirmative-action taint.
The presumption of someone's getting an in-by-skin admission, by the way, will be made not just by whites, but by people of color as well.
No Blacks make MENSA
I had a significantly higher SAT score, great letters, etc. and was denied from the one Ivy I chose.
The jealousy on this thread is incredible.
Awww you couldn't get into an ivy? Aw so sad..it must be because he is black not because he is smarter than you were.
Our generation is leaps and bounds ahead of our predeccsors (look at the flynn effect) and the competition to get into college is 10X harder.
K55 wrote:
No Blacks make MENSA
Yeah, I know you're just agitatin', but when I was (briefly) a Mensa member, there were multiple African Americans in my local chapter.
Actually, here is a 4 year old black American girl who is a member of Mensa.
http://newsone.com/2649410/anala-beevers-mensa/
The world's youngest member of MENSA is a black British girl who is two.
Too bad you do not know how to use google, K55, or you could be part of MENSA as well!
tigercrap wrote:
Realism wrote:I saw a stat in Time magazine recently ....although ethnic Nigerians make up less than 1% of all blacks in the US, over 25% of blacks in Harvard business school are Nigerians/children of Nigerian immigrants. Nierians also make up a significant proportion of blacks at other Ivies/law/med schools.
Right, now tell us the part about Cubans, Mormons, Jews, Iranians and Lebanese-Americans
All of those people arrived here with strong educational backgrounds, money or both. They mostly did not go through crap educational systems like those that exist in most inner-city schools in this country. You may also have seen that some NYC schools are 97% blk or latino. I bet the quality of the facilities and teaching in those schools is a lot like in the public schools of Scarsdale and Jericho, Manhasset, Cold Spring and Roslyn. Chua and her hubby's thesis is flawed. How are those Mormon women doing for themselves, by the way?
Just stating facts, didn't say I agreed with Chua. I agree with you in regards to inherent advantages, but in my experience education is still a point of emphasis in those cultures/ethnicities even if it doesn't paint the entire picture. Asians/Indians are an obvious example.