tard day wrote:
the answer to number 1 is a rule of logic
It most certainly is not--unless you think it's logical to apply a rule which leads to an erroneous result. Case in point, my best 1500 in the past six years is 4:35, and I haven't raced a single mile in that time period. Consequently, I haven't been a sub-5 minute miler during that time period according to your "logic." Yet, I've run sub-15 for 5000 numerous times and have run mulitiple sub-5 minute 1600s for reps in practice (as recently as a few weeks back, 4:49-4:51). Very few members of my peer group would wave off my claim to being a sub-5 minute miler, and logic dictates that they're correct. And that you're not.
The point isn't that a sub-4:37 1500 is exactly equivalent to a sub-5 mile. The point is that the members of a group that have actually accomplished a particular achievement--in this case sub-5 minute miles after age 45--have every right to declare that others can be "members" of their group according to reasonable criteria.
Now, that doesn't mean we'll all agree on that criteria. In an earlier post, I stated my belief that membership in the sub-4 minute mile club--given how important an achievement that is in our sport--should belong only to those who actually run sub-4 for the mile. But then SoCal Cush, who ran 3:55 for the mile back in the day, responded that he disagreed, that he thought some 1500 times made the runners worthy of inclusion. Who am I to tell an actual sub-4 minute miler (a group of which I'm not a part) that he can't decide who else, given reasonable criteria, can be a member of his group?
There is no rule about this sort of thing. There are disagreements, but neither side of the argument can claim absolute authority.
It takes a lot of balls (and a serious case of delusion) to claim yourself as the keeper of the official track and field rules--especially when you have only a passing affinity with the actual rules.
And it takes a lot of work--and luck!--post age 45 to run sub-5 minutes for the mile, or sub-4:37 for the 1500. I'm guessing that the vast majority of those who have done that would willingly welcome others into the club with a reasonable claim for membership. And you can understand why we don't give much validity to the petty--and illogical--arguments of those who would deny the right to do so.
That said, if you haven't even attempted to run 1500 or mile at this age, please don't claim that you could if you only trained. That's my point of view--although I'm willing to have others disagree ... you know, since there is no rule.