Ah, "kskss" the great questioner who hardly ever posts on here. lol
2-3x easily. How much should we be able to do with some difficulty? How about if we really go for it and strain to the utmost?
Ah, "kskss" the great questioner who hardly ever posts on here. lol
2-3x easily. How much should we be able to do with some difficulty? How about if we really go for it and strain to the utmost?
I personally think this is achievable, but I do not think crossfit is the training regime that would make it happen. First you would need to identify an athlete with the appropriate skill set. Then that athlete would need to be trained to specifically to improve their squat and mile time. The nonsense that goes on inside a "box" would do nothing to improve mile time.
When I was 21 I could bench 315, squat over 300, and run a 4:50 mile. My squat was horrible. I have a long torso, poor hamstring flexibility, and poor balance. I just wasn't born to squat well.
Take someone like Trey Hardee. He is a beast. Especially compared to me. I'm sure if trained properly he could do this.
What do you think could Trent Richardson could run for the mile (100m PR - 10.5s)?
Height: 5’9″ Weight: 228
It's rumored that he benches over 475 lbs and squats 600 lbs.
There was a LR thread on heavy runners running sub 5.
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3742424&page=0
Kickz, there is making a point and then there is being a dick. You have crossed far into the latter category.
On the fence about crossfit wrote:
Riiiiight....tons of sub 5 guys walking around that can squat 3 times their weight. That's 420 for your average 140 lb runner. I get it that lots of big dudes can squat 500 and every high school kid on a track team can break 5. Who can do both?
Why would you need to weigh 140 pounds to run sub five? That is an extremely slow time for a man. Decathletes routinely run faster than 4:15 in their tenth event, those guys weigh a lot more than 140 pounds and I'm sure at least a few can squat 400. Stop comparing yourself to real athletes.
Routinely?
Name the Decathletes who have done under 4:15 for the final event.
kickz wrote:
[quote]On the fence about crossfit wrote:
Once again, for perspective, the world record for a 240 lb person is almost 900 lbs. That is what happens when someone is actually trying.
That's a man with a roughly 22 inch inseam and a triple-ply squat suit that's worth about 200 pounds. Arnold is actually a better comparison because squatters are self-selected for having short legs and long torsos. Arnold, as a bodybuilder, had more typical proportions. But that also makes it hard to squat as much.
sub 5 is slow for a girl wrote:
On the fence about crossfit wrote:Riiiiight....tons of sub 5 guys walking around that can squat 3 times their weight. That's 420 for your average 140 lb runner. I get it that lots of big dudes can squat 500 and every high school kid on a track team can break 5. Who can do both?
Why would you need to weigh 140 pounds to run sub five?
He said 140 lbs is the average.
Craig Mottram is 163 pounds.
typical runner or sockpuppet wrote:
kickz wrote:[quote]On the fence about crossfit wrote:
Once again, for perspective, the world record for a 240 lb person is almost 900 lbs. That is what happens when someone is actually trying.
That's a man with a roughly 22 inch inseam and a triple-ply squat suit that's worth about 200 pounds. Arnold is actually a better comparison because squatters are self-selected for having short legs and long torsos. Arnold, as a bodybuilder, had more typical proportions. But that also makes it hard to squat as much.
Remember kickz says that leg length makes no difference to running ability so he's not going to buy your leg length versus squatting ability theory.
Interesting thread and interesting prompt for the general question. In the past and future, someone may have and may certainly do it. But, crossfit is not the ideal training approach for achieving maximum weight lifting, squatting, etc. and good distance running. from what I gather, combining all that crossfit stuff that is not efficient toward the pursuit of a single indicator (benching) and their cr-ppy approach to running.
Don't know how many and what type of athletes are close to those abilities simultaneously, but training specificity just for those two things just doesn't seem to be prevalent, haha
Junk Master wrote:
I'm SURE Scott Frost could have gone sub-5 for the mile and he was only 25 pounds off the bench, so that pretty much proves it can be done right there.
Remember these were numbers put up during FB training. I don't think he was in a power suit and he was probably overtrained at the time as well.
The other factor is do they have to do both on the same day?
I think, whenever threads arise like these about simultaneous abilities, they imply an ability to do one or the other in a short given time period. Ability, not a streak of performances (like, for example, the thread wondering who could possibly get the USOT qualifying standards from 100m to the marathon--lol). Like, threads wondering if a certain distance athlete had the ability of an astounding above distance or below distance performance, in addition to their specialty.
keeper wrote:
Actually, he said "You should easily be able to squat 2-3 times your body weight."
First of all, it's not easy. Twice your bodyweight is a lot. Secondly, if he said 2-3 is easy, then 3 is included in that. If you say "you can have two to three pieces of pie" and I say "I'll take three", would you freak out and say "it's two to three, not three". What's the point of saying "three" if you don't mean it?
Lol.
kickz wrote:
You cannot use Arnold as an example because he was NOT trying to squat a lot. If he was, then you could use him as an example but that's not what he was training for. What don't you understand about that?
Once again, for perspective, the world record for a 240 lb person is almost 900 lbs. That is what happens when someone is actually trying. You cannot use someone who isn't trying. That's like me saying that a 15:00 5k is impossible because some elite soccer player couldn't do it. I would have to use an elite runner as evidence, not a soccer player. Do you see how that works?
True, except for the line about "someone who isn't trying." Just because someone is not an elite exclusive specialist in something does not mean they are not trying their very hardest or even training for something pretty hard. I don't know soccer players who actually time themselves, train and strategize for 5k. But, athletes in many sports--even though their various activities are funneled toward the overall goal of sport performance--do dedicate time, technique, max effort (but not maximum continual devotion), etc. to their lifts. I've seen it first hand. There's a lot of bravado in the weight room. To say these guys aren't "trying" is preposterous but mostly a little funny
But your point stands though.
fred wrote:
Sub 5 is a good time for age 60.
Sub 5 is a good time for age 50, it's a great time for a 60 year-old.
kickz wrote:
there is a huge difference between bodybuilding and competitive weight lifting.
And there's an even bigger difference between competitive weight lifting and distance running.
I can run sub 5 and squat 341lb (155kg)- and I'm talking ass to grass. There have got to be people out there stronger and faster than me (combined).
Romny wrote:
I can run sub 5 and squat 341lb (155kg)- and I'm talking ass to grass. There have got to be people out there stronger and faster than me (combined).
You could be in a hay field. Ass to asphalt is better.
On the fence about crossfit wrote:
On a recent crossfit video I watched the head guy said he thinks in the next 10 years someone will go sub 5 for a mile and be able to squat 500 lbs. is this in any way shape or form a possibility. I'm right at 5 and could squat maybe 185. Seems to me that the amount of fast twitch muscle required to squat 500 would make it impossible to go sub 5. I think crossfit is great but maybe they are getting a little ahead of themselves here.
A coworker of mine at the local running store is a 400h guy who ran XC in high school. He recently ran sub 5 in a local summer meet for the full mile, and in the past 6 months he has squatted 405 lbs.
I think he could conceivably get over 500 and stay in sub 5 shape.
I'd be very surprised if Alberto Juantorena never squatted 500 pounds, and he ran a 3:45 1500.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaXzggY3JXU
This guy has the world record for 165. Looks like he maybe could go around 5 with a few months of specific endurance training.
Bryan Clay could have easily done this in his prime. He regularly squatted in the mid 400s for sets of 5 and ran 4:39 for 1500m during a deca.
Sub 5/500+ isn't that crazy of a combo. I bet there are some bigger 400m guys and a lot of decas that could hit those numbers without specific training.