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5 years ago 12/19/2018 3:28am EST

re: Coevett

Coevett wrote:
14-flat wrote:
He was WR holder at 800m, 880yd, 1000m, and Mile (twice). He was Olympic champ three times.
With the same "benefits" that those in the '90s enjoyed, he would have run 1:41.xx / 2:12.xx / 3:27.xx / 3:44yd / 4:48 2k.
Every middle-distance WR-holder and Olympic champion from the last 60 years would have if they had the right drug benefits that they had in the 1990s and beyond. That is why the 1000m, 1500m, Mile, 2k, 3k and 2M WRs have not been beaten in 20 years. It is not because the runners from 1997-99 just happened to be the best in the history of the world.
Rekrunner actually believes that it was simply an abundance of talent in North and East Africa, despite the populations of these regions doubling since the 90s. That and 'talent moved to the roads'.
Such a shame Snell basically had to retire in his mid-twenties, rather than carry on until Mexico. The first Olympic games on an all-weather synthetic track, and at altitude of course. Ralph Doubell won Gold in a new WR of 1:44.3. Snell himself believes he would have won his third 800m Gold in Mexico, and surely he would have ran 1:43.

I would disagree with "simply". I believe progress since Snell is a complex combination of many factors, including the aforementioned shoes and tracks, plus changes to training, professionalism, competition formats, etc. I don't believe that drug benefits of the '90s were unavailable to anyone who wanted them outside of Africa.

5 years ago 12/19/2018 6:40am EST

re: Potato Man

Potato Man wrote:
The 20x200m sounds like a tough session (faster than mile pace), but it would be interesting to know the recoveries.
IIRC Lydiard was not much concerned with recoveries and his guidance was "start the next one when you're ready."
So 4,000m of faster-than-mile/slower-than-800 pace, split into 200s with reasonable recoveries, should have been do-able--the volume not a particular problem for a man with 100mi/wk in his base training.
How far could he run 4:55 per mile? 6 miles? 10 miles? This is a good effort, but I doubt it would be that hard for him.
Just so. That would have been a strong aerobic run at tempo (or maybe tempo-plus) pace.
And yes, Snell was capable of being competitive at longer distances: He once won the NZ cross-country title (over ~8 miles? I can't remember), at a time when that race had some of the world's premier distance runners.
A 660 1:27 seems odd though. I would expect a 1:55 half-miler to be able to do this. Unless the 100 yard runs were done with short recoveries, what is the purpose of this day? Why not 1320 yards at that pace, or a 660 in 1:20 or faster?
This workout, like the previous, is really an example of Lydiard's rarely beating runners up in any single track session.
Just as his base-phase schedule had days of varying volume and intensity, with some days distinctly easier than others, so his track phase had easier and harder days. As someone observed in a post above, our "standard" approach nowadays (hammer a track workout one day, recovery run the next day) is very different.

I think the main thing to remember about Snell is that he was sui generis, an unfathomably talented athlete (in multiple sports). I believe he would have been a world-beater under Igloi or Lydiard or Stampfl or Bowerman, and that we should avoid reading too much into the specific training routine that he followed.

5 years ago 12/19/2018 8:33am EST

re: here you go, buddy

here you go, buddy wrote:
65867 wrote:
Can you provide some details, please?
Thank you in advance.
https://twitter.com/stevemagness/status/840037140058783744?lang=en

In learning any lesson from Schul you have to remember that just two years after his PR and gold medal, Clarke was running more than 20 seconds faster. This was the time the torch was passed from the heavy interval era to the the modern approach.

5 years ago 01/01/2019 11:35pm EST

re: Subway Surfers

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oUvMrHZwOZQ

Look how built this guy was, a machine, a true freak.

5 years ago 01/02/2019 3:47am EST

re: Subway Surfers

Subway Surfers wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oUvMrHZwOZQ
Look how built this guy was, a machine, a true freak.

Thanks for sharing the video. Amazing to think he would never have even started running if it wasn't for a chance meeting.

5 years ago 01/02/2019 4:17am EST

re: Coevett

Coevett wrote:
Subway Surfers wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oUvMrHZwOZQ
Look how built this guy was, a machine, a true freak.
Thanks for sharing the video. Amazing to think he would never have even started running if it wasn't for a chance meeting.

If you can get your hands in a copy, his book, "No Bugles, No Drums" (Garth Gilmour), is well worth a read. The era of the great amateurs. What it would have been worth to see an Olympic final with both Snell and Elliot at their peaks. Sayonara to the rest of the field - and the then world record. But of course Elliot had accomplished his goals by Rome '60, while Snell was just beginning. I believe they were the only two athletes capable of truly pushing the other over the longer distance in that era. Neither was seriously tested by their peers. Utterly dominant in their respective eras.

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