chuck d wrote:
balancing law school and running isn't particularly difficult. obviously moreso than undergrad or most graduate programs, but it's not like law school takes up all of your waking hours. if he wants to run, he should easily be able to accomplish that.
First year does pretty much take up all of your waking hours. (Second and third years don't.) You can run, but not as much as you need to to be competitive at a high level.
1550 wrote:
Why do so many of the Kenyan runners in the results "reside" in Westchester, PA?
If I'm not mistaken, there is a group of Kenyans who live and train near Westchester PA. There was an article about them a couple years ago detailing how they train in the Valley Forge (?) Preserve and travel all over the eastern US for races...
JP-
I didn't go to Yale or anything like that, but I did go to a school near the bottom of the top 25 and the first year most definitely did not take all of my waking hours. it was a job: i arrived at 8:30 and left around 5:30 (more often earlier). and a good part of that time wasn't spent on law school. if one wanted to devote time to running at a high level, there's plenty of time for that. maybe your experience differs but i know quite a few guys who ran some excellent marathons while in law school.
Evaluation of American runners:
Broe - A++, excellent effort. That time is probably close to 13:15 on the track considering all the turns on this course and the steep climb within the finally 400m (although you go down this hill at the start). It's refreshing to see the national champ actually finish first in the race. Last year's champ, Henry Dennis, stated that he was racing to beat the Kenyans. A valiant effort on his part, but he finished 30 seconds behind the winner. Broe actually followed through and got the job done.
Shay - B, nice job considering he was coming off a 20K six days beforehand. He was third last year, running 14:06, so a faster time and a higher place deserves praise. Broe, Meb, and Dan Browne are the only Americans to have run faster than Shay on this course in the last three years.
Gabrielson - B, also a nice job, expecially since it was his first year running this event. Sub 14 minutes just looks a lot better, though, as does a top ten finish.
Dirks, Watson, Eberly - C, Dirks was runner up last year,so finishing 4th must have been disappointing. Watson a talent and should be running a lot faster than this on the roads. He hasn't had a success road career so far. It might be in his best interest to just stick to the track. Eberly did a good job. His success can only be credit to the fact that he's running for the Hansons now.
Mitchell - C-, congrats Teddy; you picked up a few bucks. Everyone knows that the only reason you showed up. What's pathetic is that a guy who focuses all his training on the marathon is able to show up that the national 5k championship and win money.
Mortimer, Hubbard, Menafee - D, the roads ain't the track, boys. You got to be a savage to succeed on the road. This aint no time trial.
Lane - D-, one spot from making the olympic team to getting smoked. You should be taking some down time, not racing for alittle cash.
Pope - C, nice race for an old guy, but Eddy ran more than 20 seconds faster last year (granted his performances are now all in question).
All other invited runners - F, why did you even show up.
Has Broe moved to Boston?
Just his agent. He still lives in Michigan.
I tend to agree with many of the grades however I have to give Eberly a much higher grade as he was the only guy in the top 10 that wasn't an Oly trials qualifier.
Eberly B+
Mitchell who has been a marathoner also deserves a higher mark (if he is clean)
Mitchell B-
Menafee was 5th in the trials and performed terribly.
Menafee F
Lane should give back his travel money and apologize profusely to anyone involved in the race
Lane incomplete until he finishes his work...then F
No master should be graded by dirty Eddy standards.
Pope B.
Hb for alltime wrote:[/
I guess time will tell. We have seen what he produced while with the Hanson group and now we will see what he produces on his own. The next few months will be a result of what he gained with the Hansons. Let us check back in 2 or 3 years and then make the call. I remember people saying that Jim Jursevick (sp?) would do just fine on his own as well. I never hear his name mentioned in any major road race, cross-country race or track event. I believe that he was either 5th or 6th in the 10k in 2000.
Some athletes are afraid to succeed. I have met both Mark and Jim and neither was very good in front of a crowd. I think that both of these guys are at their best when they can suprize the field, but lousy as the favorite. I wish both of them the best in their futures and all of the Hansons.
Where was Henry Dennis in this race? last year american winner!
close but no cigar wrote:
I tend to agree with many of the grades however I have to give Eberly a much higher grade as he was the only guy in the top 10 that wasn't an Oly trials qualifier.
Eberly B+
Mitchell who has been a marathoner also deserves a higher mark (if he is clean)
Mitchell B-
Menafee was 5th in the trials and performed terribly.
Menafee F
Lane should give back his travel money and apologize profusely to anyone involved in the race
Lane incomplete until he finishes his work...then F
No master should be graded by dirty Eddy standards.
Pope B.
I'll give you Lane, Menafee and Eberly. I gave Mitchell a C- because he ran faster here last year. You're right about Pope, but they don't distinguish age groups when awarding national champions. It feels good to hear that you ran well for a master, but the fact is he was still far back in the pack.
Henry Dennis had knee surgery not too long ago and will be out for the immediate future.
1550 wrote:
Why do so many of the Kenyan runners in the results "reside" in Westchester, PA?
Probably for the same reason the Japanese youngsters (21-22) all "reside" in Lincoln MA.
I do a lot of running in Lincoln myself, and I can't say I've seen any Japanese runners on the trails or roads there lately...
There is a training camp in PA where a group of Kenyans train, it has been going on for at least 3-4 years. Lisa Buster is the manager and the coach is the former Moroccan 10k record holder from the 80s. Catherine Ndereba was a part of it for a long time, I am not sure if she still is since her focus was the Olympics so did not run in the US too much.
As read on Toby Tanser's website August 2004:
"Catherine Ndereba is still here in PA, she was training hard on the track and remains a sentimental fav to loads of Americans who love the fact that she lives and trains on the East Coast with Manager Lisa Buster who also looks after John Kagwe, John Itati, and a slue of other zoomy runners."
Speaking of which, Menefee is an assistant xc coach at Hutchinson CC now.
Rock Chalk wrote:
My bet is Osgood is some schlep rock who's still pissed that Menefee punked him in either
a) Kansas 4A High School Championship
b) Some Juco meet when he was at Hutch CC
c) all of the above
I wouldn't go and say that Mark punked him at any meet while he ran at Kansas, because my guess is Osgood never made it that far.
Oh, and by the way, I'm one of his former teammates sticking up for him. That man's got bigger balls than most people on this board.
Who are the japanese guys who showed...and have listed MA as locale? Is this a crew who will be running Chicago in a few weeks and tuning up. With all of the mileage in their legs and they are still able to run close to 14 flat, quite impressive. Looks like a few more sub 209's on the horizon.
You're right about Pope, but they don't distinguish age groups when awarding national champions. It feels good to hear that you ran well for a master, but the fact is he was still far back in the pack.
that is stupid. the face that brian pope is 41 years old makes his 14:36 all the more impressive. that is why they have masters competitions in the first place.
if age groups don't mean shit, please tell me why it was such a huge deal when alan webb ran 3:53 in high school - afterall, he was only 5th in the race!
GOOD JOB TEDDY.......BUT, TAKE ME MORE! YOU CAN RUN FASTER
Shay is the man. He's made $9K in 6 days.
broe made 10k in less than 1 day.