Tempo run outdoors. Usually these are 4 to 5 miles.
Bleu wrote:
What workout did Mary and Jordan run post race?
Tempo run outdoors. Usually these are 4 to 5 miles.
Bleu wrote:
What workout did Mary and Jordan run post race?
Montesquieu wrote:
Let's set aside that you have no specific, first-hand information about anything going on at NOP, that you haven't met or conversed with anyone having anything to do with NOP, that the level of your "argument" is simply a blanket assertion cast in probabilistic garb )"the odds . . . are very small), and ask this question: What universe are you living in such that someone who ran 4:14 in high school, and who has just run the equivalent of 4:08-09 is not "doing this the honest way"? What time in the world has she ever run that would lead any sane person to think she is doping? Now, this is a very simple question, so perhaps you might take a crack at answering it.
Return to Reality wrote:It makes me very sad that Hasay chose to join the evil NOPing side. Because she still looks like an 11 year old, we want to believe that she is incapable of cheating. The odds that she is doing this the honest way are very small, very small. Oregon's big pharma culture, the rampant doping at salazar's and nike's AW, and now the infinitely more evil NOPe have ruined the sport for many devoted fans.
Actually, I have met and salazar and several others associated with NOPe and AW. I vividly remember when Jeff Drenth of AW died because of PEDs, and when Mary Decker was busted for doping under salazar's tutelage. What sane person wouldn't believe that anyone associated with nike, AW, NOPe or salazar could be cheating? Nothing that I ever observed in salazar's character would lead me to give him any benefit of doubt.
About Jeff Drenth's death, apparently your knowledge of the causes exceeds that of the medical examiner who performed the autopsy. This is from an article in 2011:'Mystery still surrounds Jeff’s sudden death. Dr. Edward Wilson, the Lane County medical examiner at the time, ruled Jeff’s death as a heart rhythm disturbance, supported by Jeff’s prior history of arrhythmia, commonly known as an irregular heartbeat. However, Jeff’s cause of death remains unknown. His death certificate only states Jeff died of “natural causes.”An article in the June 16, 1986 issue of Sports Illustrated said, “an autopsy showed that Jeff’s brain, lungs and heart were in perfect health. His heart was large and had been capable of sustaining 215 beats per minute, remarkable even among distance runners. Its stark absence of damage seemed to suggest an electrical malfunction, which leaves no telltale clot or ruptured vessel.”'About Mary Decker, maybe Salazar was complicit in what she did and maybe not. If memory serves, she was 37 at the time, willing to do almost anything to make the Olympics and redeem herself, but who knows. However, people change, and circumstances do as well. And if Salazar got caught up in the drug culture of the time (although it's curious that it did not help him in Los Angeles in the marathon, and it's curious that he did his best running while at the tail end of his college career and just thereafter), that was a long time ago, and it doesn't mean that he's still involved in it today. And even if he is, which I greatly doubt, it takes two to tango, and having met Ritz a couple of times, and I have spoken to Hasay a few times, it is impossible for me to believe that they are cheaters. But there's also this: given what they ran in high school, what have they run thereafter that would lead you believe that what they are doing now is possible only because of doping. When Mark Wetmore says, "Dathan is a one in a several million talent," I take that seriously
Return to Reality wrote:
Montesquieu wrote:Let's set aside that you have no specific, first-hand information about anything going on at NOP, that you haven't met or conversed with anyone having anything to do with NOP, that the level of your "argument" is simply a blanket assertion cast in probabilistic garb )"the odds . . . are very small), and ask this question: What universe are you living in such that someone who ran 4:14 in high school, and who has just run the equivalent of 4:08-09 is not "doing this the honest way"? What time in the world has she ever run that would lead any sane person to think she is doping? Now, this is a very simple question, so perhaps you might take a crack at answering it.
Actually, I have met and salazar and several others associated with NOPe and AW. I vividly remember when Jeff Drenth of AW died because of PEDs, and when Mary Decker was busted for doping under salazar's tutelage. What sane person wouldn't believe that anyone associated with nike, AW, NOPe or salazar could be cheating? Nothing that I ever observed in salazar's character would lead me to give him any benefit of doubt.
+1. Your post points out facts exactly as I remember them. Giving facts, as opposed to innuendo, is much appreciated. It is a shame, observing the damage being done to our sport by the few disenfranchised, angry, jealous posters here at LR. Unfortunately, anonymity leads to bravado by a few here, who don't have to be accountable for their nonsense and damaging posts. Bravo to you sir, for telling it like it is.
This post is hysterical. Jordan on drugs. hahahaha!
Montesquieu has some excellent posts. His comment on Wetmore stating "Dathan is a one in a several million talent", says it all.
These elite world running athletes are very unique individuals. We can all attempt to copy their running routines, eat and drink and sleep as they do, live in altitude, etc. But, the bottom line is, many of us will not be able to run as hard and as fast as many of these athletes because we simply do not have the genes.
As for Jordan, she was born to run. It's that simple. Read her history. She was beating junior high kids when she was in 4th grade? Wow. How many of us can say that? The girl is a running machine improving day after day after day, and following a strict regime to allow for this improvement.
As Montesquieu notes and as many other note on many of these posts, her progress is slow, yet very impressive. To say PEDs is a part of this progress is simply absurd. Those who claim such are jealous cynic wanna-be runners who desire to be in that elite category - but never will be.
Great post here. Not many out there have the intestinal fortitude to "put it on the line" each and every day, day in, day out. The top elite athletes have that advantage. That is, they will put the work in everyday, they'll get drug tested whenever, they will sacrifice, they are competitors. Compliment this with natural talent and genes, they will remain the best in the world.
yuuuuuwqwee wrote:
But the most damning evidence that seems to escape all of you is the physical transformation Hasay, Farah, Rupp, Ritz all have gone through under Salazar. The veiny skeletor look, and the increase in speed. Both of these, coincidently, are side effects to thyroid med use:loss of weight and conversion of slow to fast twitch of muscle tissue.
Sorry, but you are way off course here. The physical change in Ms. Hasay occurred well before she joined Salazar's group.
Anyone who was around her during her senior year would definitely noticed her high degree of "skeletorocity."
Jordan has the ideal body type for running. She has very narrow hips and a small frame. Her hips are narrower than even the male distance runners- Rupp, Ritz, and others. In fact, most white American male runners have wide hips compared to the African runners.
30th Avenue homey wrote:
yuuuuuwqwee wrote:But the most damning evidence that seems to escape all of you is the physical transformation Hasay, Farah, Rupp, Ritz all have gone through under Salazar. The veiny skeletor look, and the increase in speed. Both of these, coincidently, are side effects to thyroid med use:loss of weight and conversion of slow to fast twitch of muscle tissue.
Sorry, but you are way off course here. The physical change in Ms. Hasay occurred well before she joined Salazar's group.
Anyone who was around her during her senior year would definitely noticed her high degree of "skeletorocity."
Ritz has always been skeletal. I have noticed no change in him.
A Duck wrote:
Nice.
Wow so she's like 6 seconds faster than she was in HS. Amazing...
huge gains bro! wrote:
Wow so she's like 6 seconds faster than she was in HS. Amazing...
6 seconds is more than most high school phenoms improve.
She needs breast augmentation.
Are you saying that she's not 15 seconds faster in the mile than she was in high school? Are you saying that she is 6 seconds faster than her one very fastest (Olympic Trials) high school 1500 meter time, and more like 15 seconds faster than any other high school race that she ran? If so, obviously you acknowledge how much she has advanced in the time since she left high school. Not many high phenoms follow up with 20 all-American awards in college, making world teams and becoming world class.
With out a doubt, they were over their heads in going after the AR attempt in January no less. I don't think there is anyone in the world right now who could have run 4:20; when Decker set the indoor mile AR, I think she ran 1:57 and 3:57 outdoors that year. If the race had been set up for 4:24, I think all of the ladies up front could have run a second faster off of that slower pace...instead of kicking, they were hanging on for that last quarter. Mary's 4:24 was great, but what's more impressive is the fact that they were on 4:20 pace for 6 laps. I am running out of adjectives to describe Mary Cain, but for Jordan Hasay to come through the 800 at 2:10 looking relaxed says that she has to be at least a 2:05 800m runner, which certainly puts her and Abbey in the mix among the elite world class long distance runners speed wise. Also, just a year ago, 4:28 would have won just about any indoor mile in the U.S., now we have about a half dozen ladies who can run that fast.