SALADBAR is a genius for doing 2 peaks a year. Jus sayne
SALADBAR is a genius for doing 2 peaks a year. Jus sayne
4:21
4:20
4:20
4:16
all 400m jogged recovery
long rest
4:01.6
Shit. Just realize the pacer for Rupp hung on till 3k for 7:37 (obviously coming in way hotter through 2400) which is less than a second off his PR.
That's what I call taking your pacing seriously.
Riverdale Runner wrote:
all 400m jogged recovery
long rest
4:01.6
What does this mean, 400m jog plus 4 mins additional?
Oh, I see, 400j plus long rest before the 5th rep.
cheap wrote:
are you in high school? wrote:If you have never heard that negative splits will lead to running your fastest time possible, I feel sorry for you.
(And one second can be HUGE when trying to break records)
Why do you feel sorry for him? There's no evidence that negative splits are better than positive or even splits.
Because 98% of all high school runners go out too fast in races and don't run as fast as they would if they paced properly. I like to see ALL runners excel.
If you could run positive splits for races longer than the mile and run your absolute best time, then that would disprove EVERY SINGLE TABLE that shows the rate you SLOW DOWN as the distance gets longer.
Therefore, the only two choices left are even splitting or negative splitting. Since the majority of the world records are set with negative splits and a smaller percentage are set with even splits, I am going to conclude that negative splitting is the way to run the fastest time but an even split is still acceptable.
That's my study!!
Morgan Willis wrote:
jewbacca wrote:The real story here is the pacer.
No, it isn't.
Guy just went for the WR, retook his own AR in the process. Rupp is the story here.
Please scroll back to where the brojos oozed multiple posts over the pacer. The AR is just a side note compared to him. Obviously.
Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
Purdy says 7:30.16 equals 3:45.55
Daniels says 3:47.32
Kellogg's 3:46.87 seems to match well with other predictions (disregarding ventolin's black art)
ok, I was a bit quick and harsh with my assessment. However, some if it was based on JK's other comments about drugs and other conversions that I didn't agree with it. But simply taking the 7:30.16 = 3:46.8, it seems he is not as far off as I first suspected. But I still stand by my comment that it is a bit fast.
You say Daniels gives 3:47.3. Iaaf gives about mid 3:47's. My own conversion, which comes from simply taking the amount of seconds he is off the 3k WR (9.5) and dividing in half (4.75) and adding that to existing 1500 WR (3:26.0) and getting a mile conversion would give you in the 3:47's also. Now that is not a perfect conversion (what is?), however, if one went with the presumption that Komen and El G's WR's are fairly equal, then that would be realistic. Some think is the best WR, others (like ventolin), not so much. And as good as it is, let's face it, the event CERTAINLY has not had as many high quality record attempts as the 1500, and is not a marquee event. One could easily argue that if El G, Komen, Bekele, and Geb were putting ALL their eggs in the hunt for 3k glory and WR's (let's say it was an olympic event also instead of the 5k), the record could, reasonably, be lower. Let's be modest and say 7:20 flat or 7:19.9 at best (hardly a big jump).
In that case, all conversions are changed a bit, and with my conversion, you get 3:48 flat.
I don't think such an idea is unreasonable. I stand by my: 7:30 ain't as good as 3:46. But JK was not too far off. High 3:47 to 3:48 seems more likely. I will go with 3:48 flat.
(and of course this is a "conversion", not a "what can Rupp run for the mile" statement. He is a better 3k runner, so it makes sense that he ran high 3:50.'s when he ran a 3k = to a 3:48 flat performance.)
iaaf points :
indoor : 7'29.96 = 3'49.77
outdoor : 7'29.93 = 3'47.04
some huge discrepancies there, iaaf saying it is much harder to run a mile indoors compared to outdoors for 7'30 runs indoors/outdoors
i'm of belief, absolute value of 7'30.00, whether indoors/out is
3'49.05
LM wrote:
Shit. Just realize the pacer for Rupp hung on till 3k for 7:37 (obviously coming in way hotter through 2400) which is less than a second off his PR.
That's what I call taking your pacing seriously.
Damn right. He was actually only .02 seconds off his outdoor PR from September and this was evidently only first-ever indoor 3,000 or two-mile or whatever you want to call it:
http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/kenya/bethwell-birgen-249824Dude could have stumbled the last 218 meters at about 8:00 pace and still broken 8:40. Since he was well off Rupp at the bell, one can reasonably conclude that he had some tangible incentive for recording an official 3K split, perhaps something to do with consideration for World Indoors? Just a pure guess there.
ventolin^3 wrote:
not sure how reliable this info is :
https://twitter.com/tandfnFor Galen Rupp's 2-mile record attempt in Boston this weekend, Alberto Salazar is hoping for splits of 4:03 and 4:01i personally don't like -ve splits for distance races & going out at 4'03 may cost him the wr
i reckon in a perfect race, for indoors he coud currently go 3'49.0 & a perhaps conservative estimate of 12'50
3'49.0i / 12'50i ->7'26.2i , 8'01.1i
he's got in hand that going out at "only" 4'03 shoudn't damage his chances of chasing a poor 8'04wr
he is more likely to break it than fail if he gets his 4'03
Well it's a good thing Rupp hates negative splits like you - it really paid off.
He'd have been much better off going out in 4:03.
Birgen's Personal Bests. The guy is good.
1500m
3:30.77
Mile
3:50.42
3000m
7:37.15
1000m (i)
2:19.03
1500m (i)
3:34.65
I think the first pacer set a pr through the mile too. TFRRS shows him at 3:44/4:04 last year.
at least a full vid of race has come-up :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4WTkFURgeo
prima facie : he did correct the previous gripe of wide-running in the lane on bends ( but i haven't watched it yet to end )
gripe though : although pace was too fast to start, & birgin complimented for his pacing effort, this was by no means perfect
the purpose of pacing is for wabbit to be directly ahead, by 1 step, to "cut thru" the air for elite behind
from what i'm seeing, birgin is mostly outside of rupp, not directly in front, offering him very little effective drafting ( birgin is a novice wabbit, so the "correct" placing ahead is not a concept he woud be completely familiar with yet )
this run is pretty much a solo effort by rupp, regardless of psychological advantage of having pacer(s) in front & "wrong" placing of birgin ahead of him seriously dented the upto 1s/400m that drafting is supposed to offer