Has Ritzenhein broken 4 for the mile?

No but he has a better chance of breaking 4 for the mile than he does breaking 2:04 in the marathon.

Not sure, but having run an 8:11 deuce he certainly was capable.

He probably hasn't been in a competitive mile rac when he was in shape to run sub-4.

Off the top of my head:

Footlocker XC national champion; NCAA XC national champion; USATF XC national champion.

US record holder in the 5k (previously).

Olympian.

No, he hasn't run a sub-4 mile. Yes, he could have at many points in his career.

Yes, he did on a treadmill

Neither has kenenisa b

he has done it in 3000s and in the end of some 5000s

Hbbuvjryciyt wrote:

Neither has kenenisa b

That's true but he's also run a 3:32 so it's safe to say that he's capable of it considering that he ran a 3:58 mile not 1600, to close the 5000m in Beijing. His final 3000m was 7:35.

i0op wrote:

he has done it in 3000s and in the end of some 5000s

Are you sure?

IMO this is the "closest" he's ever come

4:03-4 through the mile and pretty much held that pace for another 3+ laps

Bekele ran a 7:26 3000. That averages under a 4 minute mile for the entire race.

otter wrote:

Bekele ran a 7:26 3000. That averages under a 4 minute mile for the entire race.

Yes but was there 1720 yards that were consecutively run in under 4 minutes? Otherwise the answer is no, Bekele has never gone sub-4.

TFN lists him with a 3:56.2 + indoor mark enroute. Good enough for me and I am a big time D1 coach.

cookieswithmandms wrote:

Are you sure?

IMO this is the "closest" he's ever come

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_gNfJHDg0g

4:03-4 through the mile and pretty much held that pace for another 3+ laps

In the Olympic 5000m, I think he ran 4:55 for the final 2000m. Do you accept that as sub 4?

liouifsdj wrote:

otter wrote:

Bekele ran a 7:26 3000. That averages under a 4 minute mile for the entire race.

Yes but was there 1720 yards that were consecutively run in under 4 minutes? Otherwise the answer is no, Bekele has never gone sub-4.

First of all there are more than 1720 yards in a mile. I don't know where you got that from?

Anyway, he was around 3:30 with around 1609 meters to go. He was definately under 4 for the last mile after already running hard.

You really can't argue the facts.

otter wrote:

liouifsdj wrote:

Yes but was there 1720 yards that were consecutively run in under 4 minutes? Otherwise the answer is no, Bekele has never gone sub-4.

First of all there are more than 1720 yards in a mile. I don't know where you got that from?

Anyway, he was around 3:30 with around 1609 meters to go. He was definately under 4 for the last mile after already running hard.

You really can't argue the facts.

He closed the beijing 5000m in 3:58 mile.

There's also his 4:49.9 indoor 2000m. Tough to see any way to claim that 5 x 58 / 400m isn't way under 4:00 for 1609m.

you must be kidding wrote:

otter wrote:

First of all there are more than 1720 yards in a mile. I don't know where you got that from?

Anyway, he was around 3:30 with around 1609 meters to go. He was definately under 4 for the last mile after already running hard.

You really can't argue the facts.

He closed the beijing 5000m in 3:58 mile.

Hand times don't count. It can only count if there were electronic devices available to capture the exact time of a consecutive 1760 yard stretch. Otherwise Bekele is not in the sub-4 club.

So Ryun never broke 4 then either? All hand times for him.

liouifsdj wrote:

Hand times don't count. It can only count if there were electronic devices available to capture the exact time of a consecutive 1760 yard stretch. Otherwise Bekele is not in the sub-4 club.

Oh so you're going to keep changing your argument every time we prove you wrong?