D1 coach.. wrote:
On my team any runner not doing at least 80 mpw by the end of their senior year of hs is going to have problems. My guys average 100 a week as freshman, and upwards of 150 as juniors and seniors. Just the way the cookie crumbles.
weak, brah.
my old high school coach had us do that in high school.
US record 800, 1000, 2000, 3000, 5000
all held by moderate mileage runners.
Collegiate records at 800,1500, 3000 and 5000
all held by moderate mileage runners.
Hard to run 13:00 to 13:10 5000m and not handle
a few 8k or 10k XC races.
You run a 4:20 mile, it doesn't matter how much
volume you're putting in, you're gonna get stomped.
45-75 is gonna be fine for anybody
who has the speed-side capability to win anything
at the NCAA level.
A 4:40 mile in training and a 6:40 mile in training
are actually not the same.
Another way to frame the question would be are there schools where you can run pretty seriously but not have it be your entire life? I know that on LR, where everyone ran at lest a 13:30 while getting a combined JD/MD degree from an Ivy-level University this might be an odd notion, but it makes sense to find schools where you're not expected to basically be an unpaid worker for the greater glory of your school's program, but to compete an a moderate level while also focusing on academics.
It's said that sport at the university level have evolved to where it has to be sport all the time or nothing.
Oops, I meant "sad" in that last sentence. Less whining and more editing, perhaps?
I've heard Grand Valley (D2) averages 50-55 mpw, supplemented with lots of lifting, plyos, cross training, etc. Can anyone verify?
yeah. villanova
Dirty Low Down wrote:
Are there any low mileage cross country teams out there? Are they any good? Lets say low is 50 miles per week or less. What's the training like? Any cross training?
That puzzy mileage stuff doesn't work in the long run. Better wise up and get with a legitimate program unless you just want to be a FFR.
D1 coach.. wrote:
On my team any runner not doing at least 80 mpw by the end of their senior year of hs is going to have problems. My guys average 100 a week as freshman, and upwards of 150 as juniors and seniors. Just the way the cookie crumbles.
150!!!? I'm curious what school you coach at (rhetorical question--you don't have to answer). I attended (but did not compete) at a certain very successful D1 school. I knew some of the distance athletes of various ages and had some involvement with the program. There was a particular athlete who did very high mileage, but I don't think as much as 150mpw, even at the annual peaks in training, and the coach tried to communicate in press releases that this was pretty "extreme" and "unusual"--though exciting, beneficial, and virtuous, if the athlete could handle it and sustain the lifestyle necessary to achieve such training.
There's at least four ACC teams that never go over 60mpw.
That's good, but last time I checked NCAA champs is a 10k race.
The Rocket.. wrote:
That's good, but last time I checked NCAA champs is a 10k race.
Yes, but some very serious talk among those who matter about taking it to 8k.
stuff you like to pee out wrote:
D1 coach.. wrote:On my team any runner not doing at least 80 mpw by the end of their senior year of hs is going to have problems. My guys average 100 a week as freshman, and upwards of 150 as juniors and seniors. Just the way the cookie crumbles.
weak, brah.
my old high school coach had us do that in high school.
Weak, sis. My old grade school coach had us do that.
Many d2 and d3 teams (not the top ones) only do 50mpw, and maybe less for incoming freshmen who didn't run much over the summer
Why 8k?
Shouldn't they be considering 12k (the international distance).
dsrunner wrote:
US record 800, 1000, 2000, 3000, 5000
all held by moderate mileage runners.
Collegiate records at 800,1500, 3000 and 5000
all held by moderate mileage runners.
Hard to run 13:00 to 13:10 5000m and not handle
a few 8k or 10k XC races.
You run a 4:20 mile, it doesn't matter how much
volume you're putting in, you're gonna get stomped.
45-75 is gonna be fine for anybody
who has the speed-side capability to win anything
at the NCAA level.
A 4:40 mile in training and a 6:40 mile in training
are actually not the same.
Interesting stats, but as an earlier posted mentioned, this is 10k CROSS COUNTRY.
How many NCAA team champs run less than 50 miles per week? ZERO
Hashtag Yolo wrote:
dsrunner wrote:US record 800, 1000, 2000, 3000, 5000
all held by moderate mileage runners.
Collegiate records at 800,1500, 3000 and 5000
all held by moderate mileage runners.
Hard to run 13:00 to 13:10 5000m and not handle
a few 8k or 10k XC races.
You run a 4:20 mile, it doesn't matter how much
volume you're putting in, you're gonna get stomped.
45-75 is gonna be fine for anybody
who has the speed-side capability to win anything
at the NCAA level.
A 4:40 mile in training and a 6:40 mile in training
are actually not the same.
Interesting stats, but as an earlier posted mentioned, this is 10k CROSS COUNTRY.
How many NCAA team champs run less than 50 miles per week? ZERO
Lalang when he won 2 years ago. Arizona is a low mileage program.
A couple people mentioned Villanova - didn't they grossly underperforming in XC last year?
D1 coach.. wrote:
On my team any runner not doing at least 80 mpw by the end of their senior year of hs is going to have problems. My guys average 100 a week as freshman, and upwards of 150 as juniors and seniors. Just the way the cookie crumbles.
Also--even though I'm not, never have been, and probably never will be, a college coach, and producing NCAA XC Champ high-place finishers is not in store for my lifetime--
...I still think that having a considerable number of collegiate athletes under your auspices, of ANY (collegiate) age, AVERAGING more than 120 mpw--going beyond an AVERAGE of 120mpw, is quite sensational. If someone is not very promising at 85-100 mpw, I would think it rare, risky and a waste of time to push them to 120 mpw. I think even with the most talented top collegiate distance studs, it takes both a special kind of runner and extreme care to surpass 120mpw.
Maybe I'm utterly uninformed or out of the loop, but please elaborate (you can change names and certain details to protect identity). It's a little bit teasing for you to just mention this so casually. Oh! It's "Just the way the cookie crumbles."
Which, for some reason, makes me think of one of Dr. Evil's lines from the original Austin Powers:
"Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds--pretty standard really. At the age of twelve I received my first scribe"
What NCAA Champion team ran the least amount of mileage? I'm going with the Stanford team that won in the early 2000s. I'm guessing around 70-80 miles a week.
Maybe some teams during the 90s when breaking 14 meant you were good. I can't imagine any legit college team at any level(d1, d2, d3, NAIA, even JC teams) being good with less than 70 miles a week.
I bet Lawli Lalang ran more than 70.
LowLow Mileage Jones wrote:
I bet Lawli Lalang ran more than 70.
Not when he won NCAA XC.
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4270709Dr. Li claims that when Lalang started at Arizona, he was doing 50. They gradually increased it. In the last few years, 5 people have won 7 championship medals in mid/long distance:
Jenny Simpson
Brenda Martinez
Matt Centrowitz
Leo Manzano
Galen Rupp
Name the one that truly ran high mileage in college. None of them (Jenny 70-80 with Wetmore at CU). That's because they had intelligent coaches instead of some posting here.
As Rupp's and Lalang's record shows, what you get from running above 60-80mpw in base is actually quite limited, unless you are doing marathons.