Canova is wrong. Mo can't run 12:50.
Canova is wrong. Mo can't run 12:50.
Simple Runner wrote:
Maybe it would've turned out like this?
One for the ages:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca9N-iqzXzAA 58.xx 3rd lap is a thing of beauty. Nobody knew what hit them.
Thanks for posting this - I needed to watch this again to help clear the aftertaste of the 4400m snoozefest.
Bad Wigins wrote:
absolutely disgusting. 5000 should be retired as a track event, it's done.
The 5000m is done because you don't like the way the last few championship races have been run? Logic fail.
Bad Wigins wrote:
absolutely disgusting. 5000 should be retired as a track event, it's done.
Agreed, except I'd retire the snoozefest 10,000.
The 10 is totally depleted by the vast majority of potential talent in it going to the marathon earlier than before, if not skipping the track entirely.
The 5 is still its own beast.
Simple Runner wrote:
Maybe it would've turned out like this?
One for the ages:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca9N-iqzXzAA 58.xx 3rd lap is a thing of beauty. Nobody knew what hit them.
Thanks for this. One for the ages. No many gonads like that on the track these days. Not in Moscow LD racing, anyway.
And poor Castro!
They were racing for second place.
it's all about you wrote:
The 5000m is done because you don't like the way the last few championship races have been run? Logic fail.
How is that a 'logic fail'?
Bad Wigins wrote:
Canova is wrong. Mo can't run 12:50.
Exactly. Mo's fastest race of 2013, a 13:05, was a loss. I hate the people who regurgitate some illness excuse at that as well. Especially since between Oxy and Pre, Mo flew to London and ran to an easy 29 min 10k road win only a few days before Pre. The day before Pre, NOP changed Mo's entry, issued a sickness excuse, and then watched Mo get out-kicked by Soi's 13:04.
Farah just outkicked Alamirew in 13:14. He also ran 13:15. These mark his three fastest 5000m races of the year. But a solid critical mind saw/sees that 13:05 loss as the chink in the armor that it was/is.
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:
[quote]Simple Runner wrote:
Maybe it would've turned out like this?
One for the ages:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca9N-iqzXzAA 58.xx 3rd lap is a thing of beauty. Nobody knew what hit them.
Wow. I'd never seen that... what an insane race! Thanks for posting - great track history :)
OK, so I'd like to combine some common arguments:
1st is that everyone was doping in the era without effective EPO tests, apprx. 1990-2004.
2nd is that recent championships have been boring. On top of that, the yearly bests aren't impressive.
Combine those and you get an explanation of why the superhuman solo championship races don't happen anymore.
With 20/20 hindsight I was stupid not to pick Farah in the 5000/10000. I wrongly expected the Kenyans and Ethiopians to team up on him, keep the tempo high, and actually beat him.
It was not worth anyone killing themselves to beat Mo - play for a medal.
Folks say El G, Geb etc could have dusted everyone, but we cannot know how Mo ranks because of PED factor. Maybe he's the GOAT?
Bad Wigins wrote:
Canova is wrong. Mo can't run 12:50.
No, you are wrong, because Mo has run 12:48. And the LRC analysis is also wrong, You can't simply 'decide' to pass Mo in the last two laps. You might 'decide' to take the lead from Mo at the bell, but that is really no different than 'deciding' to win. The other athletes have something to do with it.
Here's another tactic that would win: run 3:48 per mile all the way. Why not just do that. It's so obvious!
..in a drawer full of steak knives- not too to sharp.It is pretty well documented that Ngugi doesn't speak English. A white man shows up at his house demanding a urine sample and he refuses. If some stranger appeared at my door speaking a language I didnt understand I would not let him in or pee for him.How can you be a fan of the sport if you believe everybody is on drugs, or at least all the non-white Americans?All of the negative, non-supported accusations are pathetic and sad. Losers accusing winners because you just can't accept somebody elses talent. Please stop or go away. You are just a sad negative loser.
Nutella1 wrote:
Simple Runner wrote:Maybe it would've turned out like this?
One for the ages:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca9N-iqzXzAA 58.xx 3rd lap is a thing of beauty. Nobody knew what hit them.
Not that difficult when you're on drugs:
"In 1993 Ngugi refused to take an out-of-competition drug test,[2] and he then received a four-year suspension for the infraction."
Yeah, it's obvious that Ngugi's testing problems stemmed from cultural sources, not doping ones.
... Mo has run 12:48. And the LRC analysis is also wrong, You can't simply 'decide' to pass Mo in the last two laps. You might 'decide' to take the lead from Mo at the bell, but that is really no different than 'deciding' to win. The other athletes have something to do with it.
Here's another tactic that would win: run 3:48 per mile all the way. Why not just do that. It's so obvious!
Did IAAF miss something? It shows Farah having a 5K PB of 12:53.11 from Monaco on 22 July 2011.
As for tactics, I believe my point is still valid: the sit and kick method has amply demonstrated itself to be useless against Mo. The other tactic, infinitely more ballsy, hasn't even been tried, so how can someone say, "It doesn't matter how you run him."
It does matter how you run him, and TODAY would've been the PERFECT opportunity for the alternative. WHY? Because Farah had a stitch. And he admitted that he wanted a slow pace to give himself a chance to recover from it. But if Alimerew, G-Whet, Koech and Longosiwa had dropped the hammer early, Farah might now have been able to recover.
It is incredible how can you all be there speaking and say at same time that you understand anything about running..
You all have to handle, like it or not, that Mo is the best in the world and that doesn't mean that he run just tatical races. Haven't you heard him? He was aiming for medals, so he just played his game and waited to get it. Next year wait and see what he will do, I think that KB records are not in quest but he can get really close there.
Other thing, I love to read letsrun race's recaps but this last one about Mo's race..well this is not a game about how to beat Mo, and those tatics as a fast race or even "don't let him go to the front with 600m to go". We all have to recognize that to do both things you would have to be a outstanding runner, like KB or Gebreselassie, he did the last k in 2:22 in the front..
You just don't take him out of the front, hear what Lagat said about this and learn few things.
We all have to recognize that he is a great runner, he did difficult things.
I suspect that many people in the 5000 final were aiming to get a medal, and not willing to destroy their chances trying to run the legs off of Mo Farah. Most of the analysis I've read about this race assumes that everyone in the final was only trying to win, which has never been true of any WC final at any distance.
I do not go to the line every single time thinking "nothing but first is even worth considering". Sometimes I go to the line knowing that there is a better runner standing next to me, and that it would be foolish to use up all my bullets on him, because I stand a good chance of getting second (and would be happy with it) if I run a great race.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Canova is wrong. Mo can't run 12:50.
ha ha! Hilarious! The supremely confident know-nothing chimes in with his idiocy once again!
Ventolin might be nuts with his calculator on one end of the spectrum (suggesting Mo can break any WR at any time), but you are just as dumb in the other direction if you don't think Mo could run 12:50. Seriously? A 3:28 guy, who ran his best 1500 ever by far, maybe his best race ever by far just recently, who has the endurance to WIN the 5k/10k double 2 years ago, and who has beaten star endurance runners like Gebremariam at the 1/2 marathon, and is already planning on a marathon, who has run 12:53 and 26:46 in basically kicker's races (certainly could have run faster in each if more even pace, left less for the last lap) can't run 12:50????
This even dumber than your nutrition posts and belief that finnish runners were as dominant in their era as the ken/eth combination is now! Not a single coach on the planet would agree with you that in the right paces race, Mo can't run 12:50
ksks wrote:
it's all about you wrote:The 5000m is done because you don't like the way the last few championship races have been run? Logic fail.
How is that a 'logic fail'?
Reading comprehension fail